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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It does not matter what he did or did not do wrong before he was confronted by the police. It does not matter if he yelled or did not yell at the police. It does not matter what he said or did not say. It does not matter if Garner was a white supremacist, a drug dealer, a 90 year old lady, or Rambo.

    The bottom line is that he was unarmed and did not initiate any violence. That is enough for a thorough investigation and a trial. Period.
    You got virtually everything wrong in that post. Most of those things do indeed matter and Eric did indeed initiate resistance.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Another issue, is you noticed there were no beat cops?

    It's not high speed, low drag to be a beat cop anymore......

    A beat cop would have known Eric and handled it with diplomacy.
    It use to be that cops actually were neighborhood people. They lived in the neighborhoods they patrolled or at least knew a lot of the people living in those neighborhoods and knew how to treat them. These narratives are still pretty present in American cultural items. You ever seen those TV shows in the 60s where cops walk into a shop and know everyone? That wasn't made up. That was a reflection of the relationship between law enforcement and the community. Back in Cali knew cops by their last names. We didn't necessarily like them but we knew who they were. The cops in this video, they all looked like rejects from Dog The Bounty Hunter. See the tattoos? See tight little shirts? They want to present an image of toughness to make up for the fact that they're foreigners in those neighborhoods.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What makes you think none of these were beat cops? A beat cop would know he's a seller and would be moving him on whenever he found him on his beat. Kinda like what started this whole thing.


    Thier plain clothes for one...


    Also, seems officer choke hold has his own "priors".


    Who Is Daniel Pantaleo? NYPD Officer Who Killed Eric Garner Was Accused Of Misconduct Before Chokehold Death

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It does not matter what he did or did not do wrong before he was confronted by the police. It does not matter if he yelled or did not yell at the police. It does not matter what he said or did not say. It does not matter if Garner was a white supremacist, a drug dealer, a 90 year old lady, or Rambo.

    The bottom line is that he was unarmed and did not initiate any violence. That is enough for a thorough investigation and a trial. Period.
    Again, you don't know that. You are making an assumption based on a video that cut out the moment just before the choice was made to use aggressive measures to subdue him. Your statement is ENTIRELY presumptive on what you think the missing footage or un-filmed part of the encounter involved.

    What we know:

    Eric Brown ranted at the police for a little while as the police stand around with arms folded--> Film cuts/missing --> Police are now in a position to subdue Eric Garner and then subdue him.

    Neither you or I know what is in that missing portion so neither you or I are in a position to state with any certainty what happened in that missing part of the encounter.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I didn't make a what if argument. You just keep trolling that I did.

    Nope.
    Keep telling yourself that. You've had your arguments destroyed and now you're reduced to saying you didn't base your argument on what if when your entire argument is based on the possibility, that maybe, peut-Ítre, quizas, quizas, quizas, there will be more to this that we don't know and saves your ridiculous support of police brutality.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, I've seen quite a few in my lifetime, and I've spoken out against them every time. I don't like that cops have to enforce such ****ty law there in NYC, but that's not on the cops. The only thing done wrongly here by the cops was an against department policy chokehold meant to subdue a very large resisting fellow.
    The guy died! This isn't the wild west. The cops don't get to bring people in "dead or alive".

    I don't get it, you've moved from nothing criminal to the cops did nothing wrong???

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because he wouldn't go peacefully. This was his choice.


    didn't have a chance. officer choke hold had him rather quickly.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It doesn't matter if it was Michael Clark Duncan. Being big and black does not give the police the right to use ANY force on you. You don't get to say.. hey that guy is really big and if he were to be violent I might be in trouble. Sorry, there's no right for the police to be pre-emptively violent unless there's an actual threat.
    Guess you missed the part where he was told to put his hands behind his back. Guess you missed the combative tone and actions. Guess you missed the size difference between him and the officers. Maybe you should watch the video again.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Why again were we subduing said "man of size"?
    You tell me. I am not claiming to know.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It use to be that cops actually were neighborhood people. They lived in the neighborhoods they patrolled or at least knew a lot of the people living in those neighborhoods and knew how to treat them. These narratives are still pretty present in American cultural items. You ever seen those TV shows in the 60s where cops walk into a shop and know everyone? That wasn't made up. That was a reflection of the relationship between law enforcement and the community. Back in Cali knew cops by their last names. We didn't necessarily like them but we knew who they were. The cops in this video, they all looked like rejects from Dog The Bounty Hunter. See the tattoos? See tight little shirts? They want to present an image of toughness to make up for the fact that they're foreigners in those neighborhoods.



    This all changed into what we have today the "warrior cop". they want to be SOCOM operators instead of the neighborhood protection force. You see it in suburbia with the military style uniforms and level III+ plates.

    Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces: Radley Balko: 9781610394574: Amazon.com: Books


    It's gone from a community force to an occupation "style" (note to all those who are going to jump on that, it's style) type of policing.
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