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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Who says I'm anti-cpr. I've been doing CPR for 30 years, and I'm ACLS certified. I'm just telling you that the success rates aren't impressive, and frankly, your links show that to be the case. Discharged from the hospital doesn't mean in good condition. It means they survived physically. Like I said, I've only seen one person (out in the field) who survived it with his mind totally intact, and he was physically screwed by the paralysis afterward.

So we are in agreement... they should have preformed CPR.
 
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Ack my head hurts.

Cop was very wrong for breaking department policy and using the chokehold. He was punished for that as he should have been, however he should not have been charged with murder. It wasn't intentional murder.
 
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No... Never once did he swat at the police. He flailed a bit in his own personal space and tried to retract his arms after the cops grabbed his arm. I dont get why you are posting some "thug" stuff that has nothing to do with the event captured on video. Your tactic seems to be "The cops wrong doing should be ignored because it would be a shame to punish him killing someone who was a "thug". Thats a pretty crappy tactic.
They weren't punishing him, they were trying to arrest him.
 
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Some people have always done what they shouldn't do.

Why did the cop use an illegal choke-hold and why did the grand jury give him a pass? :roll:

Because don't you get it? He was arrested 31 times... and he was selling bootleg cigarettes... and once he kicked a puppy!
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051609 said:
He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?

Given that he said that do you think he was choked out while he was saying he could not breathe?
Maybe he just needed a cigarette.
 
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Many things will cause death if a person has a heart issue. A tazer. Chasing the person. Wrestling the person to the ground. Just the stress of arresting someone could do it. The list of what can cause a person to die if the person has a heart condition is nearly endless.

The coroner did rule it was a "homicide" - which doesn't make that a fact but certainly is relevant. I haven't read the coroner's report, though. Have you? What did the coroner say caused the death?



He didn't have a heart attack when he was breaking up the fight! The cops caused his death. There is no question of that.
 
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Ack my head hurts.

Cop was very wrong for breaking department policy and using the chokehold. He was punished for that as he should have been, however he should not have been charged with murder. It wasn't intentional murder.

The problem people have with this is that manslaughter should have been considered.... and it wasn't.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051768 said:
So he killed himself? Not according to the coroner's report. The cop killed him. It was ruled a homicide, not a suicide.

If I scare the **** out of an old person, and they have a heart attack and die, am I a murderer?


If one of those dudes on the "Biggest Loser" has a stroke while being pushed to do one more rep, is the trainer a murderer?
 
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The problem people have with this is that manslaughter should have been considered.... and it wasn't.

Not considered by who....the Grand Jury? What were they considering for charges, do you know? I'm trying to find the details on the internet but I can't find it.
 
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Because don't you get it? He was arrested 31 times... and he was selling bootleg cigarettes... and once he kicked a puppy!

Some people just don't get how the rule of law works. You don't get to resist arrest, no matter how petty the crime. You submit to the arresting officer because that's what the law requires you to do.

If you get injured or killed trying to resist arrest, that's on you and nobody else. The cop shouldn't have to put himself in danger because you're being a dumbass.
 
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If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD. ;)

Yes, but heart trauma also can cause this. A person with a weak heart can not pump the oxygen fast enough - thus the person can't catch their breathe. That is why if a person is having difficulty breathing goes to ER they will do an EKG - though seemingly the lungs and heart are not related to each other.

The heart of a 400 pound older guy under stress and attack likely is going to experience breathing difficulty- which is really a heart issue, the heart already aged and strained having to deal with 400 pounds. As the video shows, when the chock hold released the heart rate soars - poising danger of everything from heart attack to stroke (freeing a clot) to blood vessel in brain bursting. I suspect that under all those stresses and demands his heart threw in the towel.
 
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If I scare the **** out of an old person, and they have a heart attack and die, am I a murderer?


If one of those dudes on the "Biggest Loser" has a stroke while being pushed to do one more rep, is the trainer a murderer?

Sure, you could be held liable if you scared or overworked someone to death (I'm sure they make people on the Biggest Loser sign a waiver though).
 
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If I scare the **** out of an old person, and they have a heart attack and die, am I a murderer?


If one of those dudes on the "Biggest Loser" has a stroke while being pushed to do one more rep, is the trainer a murderer?

This isn't pushing someone to do one more rep or scaring the **** out of someone. This is a situation where the cop actually physically caused the death of the man by choking him.
 
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If I scare the **** out of an old person, and they have a heart attack and die, am I a murderer?


If one of those dudes on the "Biggest Loser" has a stroke while being pushed to do one more rep, is the trainer a murderer?

Interesting questions.

If an 18 year olds tosses something off a highway overpass in front of a car and it causes the driver to be startled and have a heart attack is he charged with murder?
 
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Some people just don't get how the rule of law works. You don't get to resist arrest, no matter how petty the crime. You submit to the arresting officer because that's what the law requires you to do.

If you get injured or killed trying to resist arrest, that's on you and nobody else. The cop shouldn't have to put himself in danger because you're being a dumbass.

Yes, you are not the only person on the forum who believes that anything but instance and absolute submission to government authority is an automatic death sentence - or at least a beating sentence. You are not the only person here who equates government to God.
 
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I guess we have our answer as to whether or not attaching cameras to cops will increase the culpability of police misconduct.
 
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So we are in agreement... they should have preformed CPR.

No, I personally don't care either way. I was telling you about CPR and success rates. It seems odd that you don't understand what I've been telling you. As for your thinking it would have done any good, believe what you will.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

If I scare the **** out of an old person, and they have a heart attack and die, am I a murderer?


If one of those dudes on the "Biggest Loser" has a stroke while being pushed to do one more rep, is the trainer a murderer?

I don't know. But that's not what this is all about now is it?
 
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Sure, you could be held liable if you scared or overworked someone to death (I'm sure they make people on the Biggest Loser sign a waiver though).

Really?

*googles

Oh man, it's true.

:lamo
 
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No, I personally don't care either way. I was telling you about CPR and success rates. It seems odd that you don't understand what I've been telling you. As for your thinking it would have done any good, believe what you will.

Why wouldn't you care either way? It's success rate, while low, is still a success rate. And it's further lowered because it is often not applied properly, or applied too late.

You, as a health care worker, don't care that CPR wasn't performed on an unconscious man by police or EMS?
 
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Not considered by who....the Grand Jury? What were they considering for charges, do you know? I'm trying to find the details on the internet but I can't find it.

The fact that the GJ didn't even so much as bring forward a manslaughter charge shows that it wasn't considered. C'mon tres. You can't be blind to what happened here. Police tried to arrest a guy for selling bootleg cigarettes. He was handled in a way banned by the NYPD. There was no evidence he was selling bootleg cigarettes. Guy is now dead and a ****ty police officer is probably on paid leave.
 
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Civil society doesn't tolerate cops killing people over a stupid thing like selling loose cigarettes.

None of your GD business if he was fat..has nothing to do with it, you are trying to make cognitive dissonance to justify a cop killing an unarmed man for such a petty offense.

Go ahead and arm up, and fantasize about society gone nuts.

You are the one justifying this terrible offense.

The only offense I saw was his horrible obesity.

If you disagree with the tax laws then lets rebel together and change things. I recommend you begin by contacting your local state senator and state representative. Demand that they petition the Congress for an Article V convention of states to propose amendments.

I admire your emotions. That poor fat slob should have simply allowed arrest 32 to continue and our ineffective judicial system would have had his fat butt back out on the streets selling individual cigarettes in no time. I would not be surprised if he was one of the fifty million Americans being carried by the rest of us through the welfare system. I don't know that to be true but don't many low grade common criminals depend upon welfare for the bulk of their "living"?

When the police choose to no longer act then arming up will be your remaining remedy. In the end only you are responsible for your safety.
 
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Really?

*googles

Oh man, it's true.

:lamo

You don't think so? It seems pretty obvious. If you do something that causes another person to die who otherwise wouldn't have, you can be charged with some sort of homicide.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Given that he said that do you think he was choked out while he was saying he could not breathe?
Maybe he just needed a cigarette.

He never got that chance now did he?
 
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