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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No, they followed orders to crackdown on untaxed cigarettes, This led to overenforcement and someone ending up dead over loose cigarettes.


    NYPD No. 3's order over loose smokes led to Garner chokehold death - NY Daily News
    No - someone ended up dead for resisting arrest. Had Eric Garner complied with the lawful detention the police attempted to enforce, he'd be alive today, likely out on bail again, likely breaking some other laws, and likely enjoying a nice lunch, it being lunch time in NYC now.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And the autopsy report?

    Did it show he died of a heart attack?
    I havent seen the autopsy. If you believe Wikipedia, then yes, the official cause of death was cardiac arrest. The ME released a statement indication all of those weight related conditions contributed. Now me...I'd love to see the full uncensored coroners report.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To a fat man, tying his shoes is a risky proposition. Probably not wise to resist arrest...especially not for a man with 30 prior arrests.
    In the videos i posted last page back i wonder why a cop can take the time to flush out the eyes of a kung fu guy charging at them and make sure hes ok. But the cops cant attempt to resuscitate the fat guy after using greater force than in the kung fu situation? Do people really hate fat people that much? Its because some of these ****in cops walk around thinking that these people are scum. And they dont care.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No - someone ended up dead for resisting arrest.

    Oh bull****, the cops jumped on him so quickly he didn't have time to resist.

    Had Eric Garner complied with the lawful detention the police attempted to enforce, he'd be alive today, likely out on bail again, likely breaking some other laws, and likely enjoying a nice lunch, it being lunch time in NYC now.
    lawful detention. Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion for his detainment?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You DO understand the exertion shown in ANY of those videos is just as likely if not more so have caused Garner a heart attack then being grabbed by the neck and put to the ground...right?
    Ya right. Squeezing the neck is definately the most taxing on a heart. Its literally like pinching off a hose and accutely increasing the pressure. Back pressure that is supposed to be flowing OUT of the heart at a defined rate. He probably would have lived if not for the neck choke.


    Or had a much higher chance of living. Significantly higher. Just like if he got medical attention. But like i said these cops thought he was scum.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Emphasis on the word contributing. The coroner called the primary causes neck and chest compression. That makes your statement factually incorrect.
    "neck and chest compression" is NOT a cause of death, any more so than the oft repeated foolishness about 'homicide' being the cause of death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's fine, One can't really state then something is against the law then and not be able to state the actual law being broken with authority. There is nothing in what you linked that addressed the fine for unlicences individuals selling untaxed loose cigarettes.

    That was my point.

    It also brings us back to it's about tax, he was arrested for suspicion of having and selling cigarettes that weren't paid the tax on./

    I also brought up the possibility of a state law that is mentioned. but the actual law this man broke is still elusive.
    Well, to be fair, virtually every bylaw in a city, particularly one the size of NYC, is based in some form or another on taxes and penalties. It's how cities keep from going bankrupt. And the vast majority of city residents would prefer that those who break bylaws pay than have their property and business taxes rise higher.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, to be fair, virtually every bylaw in a city, particularly one the size of NYC, is based in some form or another on taxes and penalties. It's how cities keep from going bankrupt. And the vast majority of city residence would prefer that those who break bylaws pay than have their property and business taxes rise higher.

    Your earlier point, unless I am confusing you with another is that this wasn't due to a tax issue of selling untaxed cigarettes.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, to be fair, virtually every bylaw in a city, particularly one the size of NYC, is based in some form or another on taxes and penalties. It's how cities keep from going bankrupt. And the vast majority of city residence would prefer that those who break bylaws pay than have their property and business taxes rise higher.
    They have effectively killed the spirit of capatilism and free market with how they have it set up. If they have mandated minimum pricing that you have to sell the cigerettes for... That totally kills the possibility of someone starting a local indoor, super effecient, cost effect hydroponic tabacco farm business and selling packs for 1.50$ a pack. Once again forcing corporations to catch up with the times instead of having control while being obsolete.

    At least with flat tax, no price setting the city could still make money off the massive business going to the more effecient setup with a perfectly balanced price for the times.

    This is the age of renovation and revolution through effeciency. Dont a handfull of words written down somewhere stop that.....
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh bull****, the cops jumped on him so quickly he didn't have time to resist.



    lawful detention. Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion for his detainment?
    It's not BS at all. If a police officer tries to pull over a car for speeding and the driver takes off, smashing into a tree and killing himself, was the driver killed for speeding?

    As for the lawful detention - that's for the police officer or the police department to defend, not me. As far as I'm concerned, if a police officer, carrying out his/her duties, says you've committed a crime and I'm taking you in, that's a lawful detention until such time as a judge or court rules otherwise. Citizens on the street don't get to determine what's legal or not in our society. If they did, we wouldn't have a society, we'd have chaos.
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