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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No....8,734 cheeseburgers too many and no time on the stair master 'killed the man'.
    He seemed to be doing all right before the cop jumped him from behind, applied a choke hold, and knocked him to the sidewalk. I doubt the family will be suing MacDonalds for wrongful death..
    The guy that shot the video...the one w/ 27 (and now 28) arrests for charges ranging from possession, distribution, theft, assault, and weapons charges? Yeah...excuse me if I find his testimony just the tiniest bit self serving.
    It's hard to escape the video evidence.

    Going against what the police have to say is not likely to be 'self-serving'. He could just as easily have additional problems.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It doesn't have to be a considerable amount of time. We know there is missing tape, of an indeterminate length, from the video. We know this because there is an obvious cut between Garner's complaint and garner's take down. I am not the one assigning a what if to that missing time. It is you and the other pro-indictment folks imagining what happened in that missing video, I am simply here to tell you that you have no way on making any determination on whether the arrest attempt was warranted or not based on that video because it is clearly incomplete.
    Shortening the above for you:

    - Entire paragraph boils down to: What if there is something in that video which makes this action justified?
    - Nobody is assigning what if to the "missing tape". Nobody has even claimed there is anything of relevance in "the missing tape". Actually, you're the first person to suggest that whatever is "missing" is what's really going to justify all of this.

    Sure they have. Read the thread.

    And I am saying that you have no way of knowing what instigated the take down. And your story is wrong anyway. The store owner called the police on Garner.

    No, it has gone on for so many pages because there are posters like you who insist that all there is to know is contained in an edited video.
    Eh, the takedown was instigated because Garner was allegedly selling bootleg cigarettes and that is a terrible crime worthy of a chokehold, and 5 people piling on you. Do you not realize yet that the supposed probable cause does not justify the police's violent confrontation with a 40 year old? There is no evidence whatsoever that points to Garner being violent at any point and relying on "What if there's something we don't know" is nothing more than a bull**** cop-out to keep justifying the police's abuse.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    How do you know the officer never stated his intent? As I keep telling you folks the part of the video where the officer would have done that is missing from the video. It cuts straight from Garner's complaint to the arrest attempt. You won't often see a police officer explaining the reason for the arrest during the process of wrestling the suspect to the ground. That comes before, and that is where the video is missing.
    You're quite right to a point in that we can't see any officer explaining any reason for the arrest but we do have a witness at the end of this video. Cigarettes were not apparently mentioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYSnp1UGVGc

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Shortening the above for you:

    - Entire paragraph boils down to: What if there is something in that video which makes this action justified?
    - Nobody is assigning what if to the "missing tape". Nobody has even claimed there is anything of relevance in "the missing tape". Actually, you're the first person to suggest that whatever is "missing" is what's really going to justify all of this.
    Wow, project much? The "What if" comes from you and others that have decided that nothing exists between those two cuts to make the arrerst justified. I am not making a claim on the content of the missing video, only that it is missing. YOU are claiming a certainty on the contents of the missing video.

    Eh, the takedown was instigated because Garner was allegedly selling bootleg cigarettes and that is a terrible crime worthy of a chokehold, and 5 people piling on you. Do you not realize yet that the supposed probable cause does not justify the police's violent confrontation with a 40 year old? There is no evidence whatsoever that points to Garner being violent at any point and relying on "What if there's something we don't know" is nothing more than a bull**** cop-out to keep justifying the police's abuse.
    No, again, your statement is both wrong on the details we know and makes an assumption about what happens between the cuts in the video. You are the one building a narrative on make believe evidence. I am here to point out the holes in your narrative and evidence.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It doesn't have to be a considerable amount of time. We know there is missing tape, of an indeterminate length, from the video.
    No one -- including the arresting officers -- claim that Garner did anything violent, or tried to flee.


    I am simply here to tell you that you have no way on making any determination on whether the arrest attempt was warranted or not based on that video because it is clearly incomplete.
    It's pretty clear, even given that gap, that Garner did not try to flee or violently resist arrest.


    And I am saying that you have no way of knowing what instigated the take down.
    He non-violently resisted arrest. That's not in dispute, by anyone.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No....8,734 cheeseburgers too many and no time on the stair master 'killed the man'.

    The guy that shot the video...the one w/ 27 (and now 28) arrests for charges ranging from possession, distribution, theft, assault, and weapons charges? Yeah...excuse me if I find his testimony just the tiniest bit self serving.
    The coroner disagrees with you. Assuming you're not a forensic pathologist who's autopsied the body I'll take his word for it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So choke-holds are legal but against NYPD policy. Would that be right? (I'm still on my first coffee!)

    Thanks, and a very Happy Friday to you and yours as well!
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're quite right to a point in that we can't see any officer explaining any reason for the arrest but we do have a witness at the end of this video. Cigarettes were not apparently mentioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYSnp1UGVGc
    So that would point to the possibility that cigarettes had nothing to do with the confrontation, or the choice to arrest Garner. It was clearly on the top of Garner's mind when the police approached him but that doesn't mean that Garner wasn't just making incorrect assumptions in his agitated state.

    What we know for certain is that the video everyone here is using to discern what happened is critically missing the part of the altercation where the police demeanor changed from folded arms and listening to Garner rant to arresting Garner. Any claim that Garner did nothing to warrant arrest is unfounded because the public simply doesn't have that information, at least not from that video.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Thanks for that Vesper, and it's truly appreciated.

    It seems the world is going mad and we're all adjusting to it, and always making ourselves a little bit more crazy during the process. If we can write off this man's life because of suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes then there really isn't much more can be said that doesn't bring in the much larger picture of where this all might lead.
    To make it even more insane. This is Chief of Police Phillip Banks III. He is the one that issued the order to crackdown on the sale of loosies.


    Banks gets his marching orders from the Police commissioner William J. Bratton, who was appointed by Mayor Bill de Blasio and took office on January 1, 2014.

    Bratton gets his marching orders from Mayor de Blasio.



    de Blasio threw his police department under the bus, and implied they were untrustworthy and racist. After his divisive speech. Obama personally called and thanked him.


    Police fury at mayor’s racial smear | New York Post
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Wow, project much? The "What if" comes from you and others that have decided that nothing exists between those two cuts to make the arrerst justified. I am not making a claim on the content of the missing video, only that it is missing. YOU are claiming a certainty on the contents of the missing video.

    No, again, your statement is both wrong on the details we know and makes an assumption about what happens between the cuts in the video. You are the one building a narrative on make believe evidence. I am here to point out the holes in your narrative and evidence.
    Lol, the above and below contradict each other and you still don't think they do.

    Part one of the post: You can't assume something happened!
    Part two of the post: What if something something happened?

    Please stop this. It's silly. If you have evidence that something of relevance happened in that supposed missing part of the video, I ask you to bring it forward. If not, then let it rest and admit it's of no relevance.
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