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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, that is a complaint, but ultimately is a chock hold, his head being pressed into concrete, an adult's weight on his back and 3 officers slamming him down on concrete - plus due to those officers no citizen could attempt CPS either.

    The violence was singularly initiated by the police. After he was unconscious, it then was the police who assured he then had to die as no one could come to his aid.

    The cigarette tax to make cigarettes a luxury only for the rich didn't kill him. That is what put him standing there. It was his being violently assaulted by numerous police that killed him.
    I understand your arguments. The Grand Jury saw things differently than you do. It happens. I don't think the American Red Cross is going for the whole CPR thing any more. Just chest compressions. Now that is a tough thing to do on a 400 pounder.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    GJ jurors don't have to be his neighbors. In NY, they don't even need to live in the same city. So the neighbors thing is a bit of a stretch in a city of 10 million. Quit using it.
    Go suck an egg. Is there only one court in all of New York? Do people from Pennsylvania get bussed in to review the prosecutor's evidence? You are the expert in New York Grand Juries. You tell me how they are selected in New York. Here, where I live, it is on a county basis, but one can also be called on a town basis.

    And yes, it is comprised of citizens who live where you live.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The reason for the GJ is because it is required, so a pointless technicality. In fact, there is no purpose to it in application.
    I suppose there is no real reason to even try the cases that being a pointless technicality. It is clear that you are tired and need a rest. You stopped making sense some time ago. Come back after you have slept.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right, we don't know what the Grand Jury heard but it would have to be remarkable if it goes against what this video clearly shows. I have to wonder if they even saw the video.
    Wonder all you want. When you join the mob you get what the mob gets. It always comes with a price. How are you any different than the looters and arsonists in Ferguson? Burning on emotion instead of reason still leaves you burned.

    Where do you want to take this? Shall we have Eric Holder sitting on on every grand jury throughout the land to make sure the citizens see what Eric Holder wants him to see? When did you lose faith in the American citizen?

    Or are you arguing that the district attorney is corrupt? Other than your feelings what is your evidence? Wait. You don't need evidence anymore. You now have feelings and they trump reason every time.

    I wish you would reconsider. Your way is guaranteed to local tyranny. It will be a quiet tyranny. You won't see the lives wrecked by phony trials. But it will still happen. It always does.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    I hadn't really followed this case, but from what I've heard in the last day or so it seems to me that IF the actions of the police in this case did NOT equal a crime, then the law needs changed so it is.

    Unless I totally misunderstood.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know how the grand jury system works. And don't have the ambition to look into it. But I can absolutely assure you that not every prosecution requires a grand jury. As a matter of fact, if you remember Zimmerman, the DA was heartily criticized because she elected NOT to convene a grand jury.

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    IOW, not every prosecution (in fact, few of them) require a grand jury.
    Right. I would assume that grand juries begin at the level of felonies. So if the Prosecutor believes he may charge someone with a felony he presents the evidence he has to a Grand Jury. Do you agree?

    Few is a relative term. We have tens of thousands of laws now whose violation is a felony. We did not use to. I would not be surprised if it is a felony these days fill in a low spot in your yard because a mud puddle forms there when it rains.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just as it's not a Black/White thing, nor is it a Liberal versus Conservative thing. It's a man's inhumanity to man thing.
    Think a little deeper. Why was he there? What was he doing and what made it profitable? Why did others object? Why did the city make a repeat offense a felony? He was a repeat offender, at least from the allegations online. Why would it be a felony to sell cigarettes without a tax stamp? Who made those laws? Who hired so many police to enforce their laws?

    Liberalism ran amok. It always causes misery for most. And death to a few. If you want to solve this problem create a single sales tax rate for everything. No exceptions.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I hadn't really followed this case, but from what I've heard in the last day or so it seems to me that IF the actions of the police in this case did NOT equal a crime, then the law needs changed so it is.

    Unless I totally misunderstood.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Because cigarette laws did not cause the police officers to use excessive force, in violation of their own police department's code of conduct.
    You are making unfounded allegations. In fact I would describe what you are doing as defaming the officers. A grand jury heard the testimony and brought no charges. So you are committing a serious civil offense.

    "This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death."

    Right. Anything to avoid any racial aspect of the case, or recognition of police brutality.
    Other than for the racists among us race was not an issue. There was no police brutality. Give the Grand Jury findings I believe a case could be made against you for slander.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Go suck an egg. Is there only one court in all of New York?
    That's kind of the point. The pool of people to choose from in NYC vastly exceeds the number of courts. Say there are 500 courtrooms in NYC. At most, they'd need 12,500 eligible voters to fill those seats. At a minimum? 8000. In Brooklyn alone, they'd have over 1,000,000 people to fill those seats. Hardly neighbors. Say NYC has 2,500 courtrooms in operation. That would put it at 40,000 and 57,500 jurors who'd be picked out of the respective 1 million. Again, your neighbors argument doesn't hold water based on the numbers alone.

    Do people from Pennsylvania get bussed in to review the prosecutor's evidence? You are the expert in New York Grand Juries. You tell me how they are selected in New York.
    I just did. They're selected randomly using DMV/County lists.

    Frequently Asked Questions - Jury Service | Western District of New York

    Your name was randomly selected from county voter registration lists and licensed motor vehicle operator lists for the State of New York.
    Stop, perpetuating a lie.

    Here, where I live, it is on a county basis, but one can also be called on a town basis.
    Yes, and in the great but minute city of Hunstville, Alabama, they don't even begin to touch the population of New York City's smallest borough.

    And yes, it is comprised of citizens who live where you live.
    Still regurgitating nonsense?
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