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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We did anyway.

    They were full of (bleep!), but they were screaming about big government over that one as it was.
    As it stands, the rule is simple:

    If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
    If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

    The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    why dont all you who want a trial pay for one

    i am sure NYC will gladly put these cops on trial if you guys want to put your money up

    But when the cops are acquitted, and your money is spent, dont come back crying

    I'm serious....pool your money, and get your friends......3 million maybe a tad more.......

    As you say, the price of justice......you can even hire your own prosecutor since you apparently think this one is tainted

    better make it 4 million just to be safe........someone start a fund......i am sure there are thousands willing to throw good money down the drain
    They need to pay for the defense as well since it will be a show trial.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As it stands, the rule is simple:

    If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
    If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

    The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
    You got it.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Reading through this thread and dealing with the other threads related to police involvement with suspects and the prosecution of such events I've come to very much appreciate the Canadian justice system. There's lots to love about America and your culture and government, etc., but your justice system is far too political for my liking. We have civilian oversight of police here - in any situation where a suspect is seriously injured or dies, that civilian oversight automatically investigates the matter and that civilian oversight determines whether or not charges will be laid. Seems in your system, all these parties that provide oversight and prosecution are elected officials beholden to those who elected them and those who funded them and they interfere severely with the pursuit of justice. To me, that's a terrible system.
    Fortunately it is not the one we have. The grand jury is comprised of citizens from the neighborhood where the trial is likely to take place. They are civilian citizens. They are independent of the prosecutor. They evaluate the evidence the prosecutor has, hears testimony from witnesses and then decides whether or not to charge. Where I live we use the property tax and voter registrations records as the grand jury pool. Anyone can be called and everyone who is called must present themselves for selection. Grand Juries here typically meet for one or two days. A few will meet several times over a two to three week period. Everything is done in secret.

    It is a final brake against tyranny at the local level.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you understand that witnesses can be directly questioned?

    Maybe you should explain your position. What, in your opinion, is a cross examination?
    Cross examination of the cop.

    Sure would be nice, eh?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As it stands, the rule is simple:

    If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
    If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

    The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
    It is deeper than hypocrisy, which is really sad.

    Thankfully the extremist fringe are just that, in the real world, their opinions are marginalized.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Fortunately it is not the one we have. The grand jury is comprised of citizens from the neighborhood where the trial is likely to take place. They are civilian citizens. They are independent of the prosecutor. They evaluate the evidence the prosecutor has, hears testimony from witnesses and then decides whether or not to charge. Where I live we use the property tax and voter registrations records as the grand jury pool. Anyone can be called and everyone who is called must present themselves for selection. Grand Juries here typically meet for one or two days. A few will meet several times over a two to three week period. Everything is done in secret.

    It is a final brake against tyranny at the local level.
    That. Is. Not. True.

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    So your "neighbor" can live 5 miles from you.....with 200,000 people living in between you. Again, 8-10 million people in NYC, as such the word neighbor stretches it. Maybe in Alabama where they've got like half of NYCs population... for the entire frigging state. That's what? 1/5th of New York State?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Why? In a grand jury the prosecuter who is an extension of the local government and law enforcment is the one presenting the case against the cop who is on the same team.
    Now you are claiming corruption? Awesome.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'd also like to restate and clarify.


    This isn't a race issue, this isn't a police on black issue. The number one killer of black men age 15-35 is other black men, not disease, not accidents, etc. it's other black men. While holder and obama are running thier mouths. WHEN have they EVER adressed the most dangerous thing facing black men?

    It's a national tragedy here.


    Police over enforment affects us all. but injeting race into it, isn't right here.
    If you want less police interaction then we all need less laws and less regulations.

    This nonsense is being used to justify a call for more federal interference at the local levels. Your banks have been nationalized. And your health care. And now the police? We are firmly under fascist control and most of do not even see it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so now taxes are to blame for this? Lol. Nonsense.
    Root cause. Those who plunder must always have more plunder. Follow the money.

    "This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death."

    Desperation is always the first sign of a person losing an argument. That you've reverted to political diatribes makes that obvious.
    There will always be some among us who will not see the truth. I know I can count on you to be among them.
    Liberal city. Liberal mayor. Liberal tax structure. Large black market. And a large police force to enforce liberalisms tens of thousands of laws.

    So a very fat man died. He was probably getting welfare and foodstamps, let more of liberalism's many poisonous fruits.

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