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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    No, not really -- It works perfectly. America views crime as an 'exception' to the higher righteous path. Thus when our white cops kill blacks and then exonerate themselves for it, the blame can be placed on the failure of the black person to be living that holy righteous path, rather than it being understood that (1) people are products of their circumstances -- i.e. the cyclical nature of poverty -- or (2) that we have a systemic corruption of our police forces -- i.e. the Blue Code of Silence.

    Then we whites can all shake our heads and blame black people for being forced to live in slums with no jobs, where the local schools are sunk by how this country funds education (through property taxes of the local community, i.e. the slum) and where the streets are full of desperate impoverished, uneducated people doing their best to stay afloat.
    You could place the blame where it belongs. Liberal democrats built a welfare state to ensare as many as possible. It is regrettable that so many were ensnared, whether black, brown or white. To fix it begin to dismantle the welfare state. Reduce the massive numbers of regulations and the extreme taxes. Let people be entrepreneurs instead of criminals. There is no reason other than the desire for plunder backed up by the penal code to keep people from selling cigarettes on the streets or renting out rides in their cars.

    Look to liberalism if you want to get to the root cause of why this one black man died after resisting arrest.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You could place the blame where it belongs. Liberal democrats built a welfare state to ensare as many as possible. It is regrettable that so many were ensnared, whether black, brown or white. To fix it begin to dismantle the welfare state. Reduce the massive numbers of regulations and the extreme taxes. Let people be entrepreneurs instead of criminals. There is no reason other than the desire for plunder backed up by the penal code to keep people from selling cigarettes on the streets or renting out rides in their cars.

    Look to liberalism if you want to get to the root cause of why this one black man died after resisting arrest.
    Was this guy on welfare? I thought he was a big bad dealer in the lucrative cigarette trade....
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Look to liberalism if you want to get to the root cause of why this one black man died after resisting arrest.
    Liberalism encouraged a police officer to use a choke hold, and another officer to kneel on his back and compress his chest? That's quite the leap of logic.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It appears clear at this point that he was never told he was being placed under arrest - though it claimed somehow he was resisting arrest anyway.

    Apparently, if you resist being assaulted by police it is "resisting arrest." "Assault" and "Arrest" thus mean the same thing.
    Do you believe that all of history began when a camera was turned on? Was everything chaos before God called for lights, camera, and Action?

    Is it possible that everyone existed prior to the beginning of the portions of history you saw and interpreted? Is it possible that there was some meager reality that existed prior to the start of that small snippet of time you viewed?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe that all of history began when a camera was turned on? Was everything chaos before God called for lights, camera, and Action?

    Is it possible that everyone existed prior to the beginning of the portions of history you saw and interpreted? Is it possible that there was some meager reality that existed prior to the start of that small snippet of time you viewed?
    It is possible that the future controls the past and not the other way around.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And now he's dead. I don't smoke but I don't believe that I have the right to tell others not to smoke.

    Or sell cigarettes.

    I don't believe that Eric Garner should be dead. From what I've read the man died because he was selling loose cigarettes. I wonder how many more people in New York will suffer the same fate.
    When liberals and liberalism run amok people get hurt. People die. Now is a good time for a tax revolt. There should be one rule for sales taxes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, being detained and being arrested are not the same.
    It doesn't have to be the same. Regardless if the police proceed to search, detain or arrest, you do not resist. She resisted the moment she was asked to step outside the vehicle.

    No, but it can be a consideration in setting bond
    If you're indicted and it is mentioned that you tried to flee the seen of a crime, it can potentially be bad.

    Police are now trained to shout "don't resist, stop resisting" if cameras are running. It is not resisting arrest when a person is instinctively trying to not be physically harmed.

    There is nothing in that video I find shocking or troubling, other than she didn't resist arrest. That is routine "I don't like you" escalating the charge. Probably also charged with assault claiming she tried to roll the window up on the officer's fingers.
    She was informed she was being detained. She was ordered to step outside the vehicle. She refused. How is that not resisting? They had to break her window to get her out of the car...

    Of course, the officer COULD have just handed the clip board thru the what was then 2/3rd open window rather than he "I'm protecting myself." But why make it easy over a traffic ticket when you can make prove your authority over everyone and anyone, huh?
    That's a mistake. The window is actually supposed to be rolled 1/4th of the way. Open enough so that you can have a conversation and pass documents through the window. If the window is not down far enough, the police cannot be able to see if there are any weapons concealed. So yes, it is about their safety too. They're still not allowed to search inside your car.

    However, just imagine how much simpler it all would have been if she would have just rolled her window down...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The question presumes, of course, you were NYPD there.

    Thinking of it in REAL terms?

    I won't have done anything whatsoever. Someone in a store says there's a guy in front of his store selling cigarettes. Did I see it? No. Did anyone but that person in the store as far as I know? No.

    I'd say to that guy "You know selling cigarettes on the street is illegal, don't you?" and leave.

    Your turn, what would you do? Would you also have snuck up behind him, jumped up on his back and put a chock hold on him?
    No, of course not. I already posted what I would have done.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You were ok with that too, weren't you? The kid was committing a crime and resisted - or at least indicated he was going to resist. Clearly the officer had to put him into submission to stop or prevent submission. Right?

    The knockout game very much was on video. And the race issue very much talked about.
    The kid didn't have a chance to resist. The cop flies in to the screen and football tackles the kid and proceeds to beat the **** out of him. He outweighs the kid by probably 100 lbs. If I find it again on Youtube I'll post it. But keep on throwing **** against the wall to see if it will stick, Joko, one of these days you might get one right.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Civil rights violations are currently being investigated by the feds. I would be SHOCKED if the cops involved with this are not brought up on civil rights charges. I expect convictions, also.


    I still can't believe they were not indicted by the grand jury. Very sad set of events to this point.
    What civil right do you believe was violated?

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