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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    My point was that "arrests" do not equal any wrongdoing at all.

    Kids have been threatened with arrest for lemonaide stands. I don't think any have been jumped from behind in a chock hold while 2/3 more officers jumped on him.


    I've been jumped by 7. in front of cbgb's when I was a kid. I totally deserved it. Eric Garner did not. lol
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who cant protect themselves," Pantaleo said. "It is never my intention to harm anyone".

    That's an odd thing to say after using an illegal choke-hold on a New York citizen who eventually died from Pantaleo's actions.
    Grant, it was not illegal. It was unauthorized.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Your turn.

    Here is the question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers?

    Yes or no question apdst.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Does it matter? Selling contraband cigarettes is no more a crime than a kid selling lemonade without a damn business license. It's like people lose all common sense when it involves police action. Hell, he could have had 1,000 convictions and none of it would have a made a difference. The discussion is not about his convictions, it's about the treatment he received and whether it was legal.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do. The federal level is operating as a tyranny. It will only get worse. Nationalize the police and take away the grand jury and all we have left is a revolution.

    We cannot always see the ones who are broken by trials for crimes they never committed. I brought a lawsuit and won. But it cost me dearly. It costs the state nothing. Be careful what you wish for. Tyranny nearly always is included in your bargain.
    You have become a total contradiction now. GJs are no safeguard against anything. 3 no-bills in 5 years out of 250,000 GJ presentations. And you claim GJs are a safeguard against unjustly being taken to trial.

    I've noticed how often you debate yourself - give little mini lectures back and forth at yourself.

    Way back the Perry Mason "examining trials" were a good thing, as were coroner's inquiries. Both were eliminated as they gave citizens a right to some say and defense prior to being put on trial was to costly and bothersome to the government. It is FAR easier to negotiate a plea bargain telling poor people who can't post to plea out or stay in jail a year waiting for trial.

    The ENTIRE criminal justice system is built around forcing people to plea out. Rich people can fight. No one else really can.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are minimizing the cops culpability. They never should have been so aggressive for a suspicion of a misdemeanor violation.


    This could have been handled with "we got your number eric, we'll be back with a warrant for you home", or some such. He was not observed committing a crime or in possesion of contraband, the police had no probable cause.


    The man should not have died for being fed up with harassment.
    The man should not have resisted arrest. And I agree...he shouldnt have died. Thats tragic. Thats a shame. That was caused by too many donuts and not enough time on a treadmill. That entire phsycial exchange lasted about 20 seconds. The exchange wouldnt have happened at all had he cooperated with law enforcement like you and everyone else here KNOWS he should have done.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Grant, it was not illegal. It was unauthorized.



    ****, according to the police commishoner it wasn't even a choke hold, nevermind that any 3 month student of brazillian Jiu Jitsu learns the proper way to apply that choke.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have not seen the evidence. Or are you claiming that you were on that grand jury?
    Obviously you claim you were. Tell us what happened. There has to be some basis for your incessantly claiming the GJ heard all relevant evidence and witnesses. What is that basis?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Really? What they did to him was "standard procedure?" And you approve of it obviously.

    What is the standard procedure for committing a burglary? Obviously if "standard procedure" it's legal. Defense attorney's should remember the "standard procedure" defense.
    "He didn't rape her in other than in the standard procedure for rapists." Clearly then "Not Guilty."

    IN FACT, I do believe THE PRIMARY COMPLAINT OF PROTESTORS IS THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR THE NYPD.

    I'm not sure I agree with you that ALL NYPD act this way, but maybe you know more about that than I do.
    Dood resists arrest. Dood is arrested. SOP. You want to see these kinds of needless deaths stop?1-stop committing criminal acts and 2-stop thinking you have this right to NOT comply with law enforcement. Brown would be alive today if he had simply said, sorry man...we'll get out of the middle of the road. Garner would have been alive today had he said OK...but Im fighting it in court. I dont know...maybe he felt like 31 was not going to be his lucky number.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The man should not have resisted arrest. And I agree...he shouldnt have died. Thats tragic. Thats a shame. That was caused by too many donuts and not enough time on a treadmill. That entire phsycial exchange lasted about 20 seconds. The exchange wouldnt have happened at all had he cooperated with law enforcement like you and everyone else here KNOWS he should have done.

    but the cops had NO RIGHT to instigate the detainment. He had committed no, and was not observed committing a crime, his only fauly was being known by the arresting officers for his priors.
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