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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    How would you have arrested Eric Garner?
    I wouldn't have.
    Write him a ticket if he's doing something he shouldn't. Selling cigarettes isn't an arrestable offense.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He'd already been arrested 31 times, 8 times for selling black market smokes.
    How many convictions and for what?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    True, police never have to arrest anyone or do anything UNLESS under a specific order by a court - and then it would only be possible contempt of court. A group of police officers would eat popcorn watching a gang rape and they would not have committed any offense.

    Police decide who to give a ticket, who to give a pass. What kid to take in, what kid to take home. Police decide what laws to enforce and who to enforce them against all the time.
    It's actually incredible that someone who calls themselves a Libertarian would try to argue that cops have to arrest people. How old would a person have to be to live in such a fairytale world? 15? 16? He probably just got his first copy of Ayn Rand's Atlas... poor fella.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    How many convictions and for what?
    Does it matter? Selling contraband cigarettes is no more a crime than a kid selling lemonade without a damn business license. It's like people lose all common sense when it involves police action. Hell, he could have had 1,000 convictions and none of it would have a made a difference. The discussion is not about his convictions, it's about the treatment he received and whether it was legal.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I wouldn't have.
    Write him a ticket if he's doing something he shouldn't. Selling cigarettes isn't an arrestable offense.
    The question presumes, of course, you were NYPD there.

    Thinking of it in REAL terms?

    I won't have done anything whatsoever. Someone in a store says there's a guy in front of his store selling cigarettes. Did I see it? No. Did anyone but that person in the store as far as I know? No.

    I'd say to that guy "You know selling cigarettes on the street is illegal, don't you?" and leave.

    Your turn, what would you do? Would you also have snuck up behind him, jumped up on his back and put a chock hold on him?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oddly enough, most nations have eliminated grand juries, without the disastrous tyrannical consequences.

    By the way, don't you already classify the US as a "tyranny" anyway...?
    I do. The federal level is operating as a tyranny. It will only get worse. Nationalize the police and take away the grand jury and all we have left is a revolution.

    We cannot always see the ones who are broken by trials for crimes they never committed. I brought a lawsuit and won. But it cost me dearly. It costs the state nothing. Be careful what you wish for. Tyranny nearly always is included in your bargain.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Does it matter? This was no more a crime than a kid selling lemonade without a damn business license.
    My point was that "arrests" do not equal any wrongdoing at all.

    Kids have been threatened with arrest for lemonaide stands. I don't think any have been jumped from behind in a chock hold while 2/3 more officers jumped on him.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    True, police never have to arrest anyone or do anything UNLESS under a specific order by a court - and then it would only be possible contempt of court. A group of police officers would eat popcorn watching a gang rape and they would not have committed any offense.

    Police decide who to give a ticket, who to give a pass. What kid to take in, what kid to take home. Police decide what laws to enforce and who to enforce them against all the time.



    Police should enforce crimes that deprive others of thier liberty. This was a tax collection gone fatal with no probable cause.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you agree that all the Liberals who only complain about these cases, because it involves a black person, is a race hustler?
    Don't know. I was pretty steamed about that mentally ill homeless white guy that got mobbed to death screaming for his father to help him out in California.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I've seen the video. Garner was unarmed and non-violent. One of the officers used a choke hold. Another pushed his head into the ground, and sat on his back, compressing his chest.

    The autopsy indicated that both of these were instrumental in causing Garner's cardiac arrest.

    I also know that grand juries almost never decline to indict. It's not a system where evidence is challenged; it's almost always a mere formality. It certainly doesn't match the level of scrutiny of a full file.

    But hey, why talk about police brutality and injustices of the courts, when we can bitch about taxes?

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    You have not seen the evidence. Or are you claiming that you were on that grand jury?

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