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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Uh no....he refused to follow through the courts...which is why the LEO's went to his ranch.

    Keep coddling your welfare queen heroes and cheering on cops killing guys for selling a cigarette.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    I know that, but lets say that police are not going to articulate reasonable suspicion, and just simply detain you (hence, the police harassment narrative). Then what do you do?

    Me? I state "i dont talk to police and will not be anserwing questions, i would like to call my lawyer"


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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You should run to your local courthouse and volunteer to be on a grand jury.
    Been there done that. The level of evidence needed for a GJ is very low and the video by itself is enough to indict.

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    You have no idea what the grand jury heard as testimony. But you want revenge. This is the worst of human instincts.
    Now your guessing my motives? Don't insult me.
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    Great. Get your revenge. And then brace yourself for what must come. You are begging for tyranny. And if you succeed you shall have it.
    This has nothing to do with revenge it has to do with right and wrong. Your mama didn't teach you that when you were little? Mine did. And you talk about tyranny - that's ironic. The police and government who control the police are much more likely to be tyrannical than the citizen under them.

    I have to start wondering you and other who share your views disbelieve your own eyes. I don't want the cop locked up for murder - it was an obvious accident. I want a jury to review it and give their judgement. Not much to ask in the Garner case.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    She didn't roll her window down. She didn't open the door. And yes, the moment the officer said, 'open the door, I'm detaining you,' she didn't comply. Yes, she resisted arrest..
    No, being detained and being arrested are not the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    That's debatable. Resisting arrest can be seen as an admission of guilt, and won't go over in your favour during a hearing. The other two, so long as no one complains, is a non-issue. .
    No, but it can be a consideration in setting bond

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    You don't have to asset them, but don't resist them.
    Police are now trained to shout "don't resist, stop resisting" if cameras are running. It is not resisting arrest when a person is instinctively trying to not be physically harmed.

    There is nothing in that video I find shocking or troubling, other than she didn't resist arrest. That is routine "I don't like you" escalating the charge. Probably also charged with assault claiming she tried to roll the window up on the officer's fingers.

    Of course, the officer COULD have just handed the clip board thru the what was then 2/3rd open window rather than he "I'm protecting myself." But why make it easy over a traffic ticket when you can make prove your authority over everyone and anyone, huh?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Apparently the coroner ruled it as a homicide and the video would bear this out. If they were not cops but gang members, and doing exactly the same thing, the ruling would have been the same, though charges would certainly have been laid.
    Homicide means the death was caused by someone else

    It doesn't mean it was an illegal action

    I am sure you have heard the term justifiable homicide
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Do you believe cops should be able to decide which laws they enforce, and which ones they don't?
    They already do. Here are some basic example: Cop sees person X about to kill person Y? They have no responsibility towards providing for person's Y's safety even though a crime is being committed. Do you know how cops get CIs? Do you know why Sammy the Bull didn't spend most of his life in prison after admitting to having abducted and helped to murder various people? Lmao. You're either naive or purposely obtuse. Which is it?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you agree that all the Liberals who only complain about these cases, because it involves a black person, is a race hustler?
    No. Your turn.

    Here is the question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers?

    Yes or no question apdst.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Homicide means the death was caused by someone else

    It doesn't mean it was an illegal action

    I am sure you have heard the term justifiable homicide
    That is the distinction.

    But that was not the only possible criminal charges, was it. Reckless endangerment. Criminal assault. Official Oppression.

    No one wants to talk about those. Let's keep it out of reality and have opposing loyalty platitudes only of absolutes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And when these cases go straight to trial and there STILL isn't a conviction, you'll be whining about how jury trials are outdated and need to be abolished, too.
    Uh, no. Even an instance of an unjust trial does not necessarily condemn the entire system. Nice try though.


    If anything is outdated, it's race hustling and it definitely needs to be abolished.
    Ah yes, the conservative buzzword of the day. Nice.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They already do. Here are some basic example: Cop sees person X about to kill person Y? They have no responsibility towards providing for person's Y's safety even though a crime is being committed. Do you know how cops get CIs? Do you know why Sammy the Bull didn't spend most of his life in prison after admitting to having abducted and helped to murder various people? Lmao. You're either naive or purposely obtuse. Which is it?
    True, police never have to arrest anyone or do anything UNLESS under a specific order by a court - and then it would only be possible contempt of court. A group of police officers would eat popcorn watching a gang rape and they would not have committed any offense.

    Police decide who to give a ticket, who to give a pass. What kid to take in, what kid to take home. Police decide what laws to enforce and who to enforce them against all the time.

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