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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Well, liberalism created the black market, a liberal told the popo to rid the city of the scourge of loosies, there's enough blame to go around.

    Fact. Dude didnt neet to be protected and served the **** out of for a loosie
    What?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - my point is that I'd rather have a court and a jury, hearing all evidence, determine if they believe the form of arrest was warranted in this case and if not then the officer's contribution to the eventual death would be penalized accordingly. Such a jury would be able to weigh both sides of the argument, in public view, rather than in secret, and it would better serve justice in the eyes of the community.
    Okay, so you would prefer to have some other form of justice system that the one we have created over the last eight or nine centuries? If you like your liberty you can keep your liberty.

    As soon as you decide that your neighbors can no longer act as a check on tyrannical powers then you will get more tyrannical powers. If you like arbitrary arrests and trials just keep going the way you are going.

    Grand Jury proceedings are secret for a variety of very good reasons. It is unusual for them to be made public.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Citizens never know what the probable cause may be, so they should always proceed with caution. If not:

    I can understand breaking the window.

    But there is that damn "your resisting" CRAP. At NO point did she resist arrest. She resisted rolling her window down. She did not resist arrest.

    There are a few offenses I personally would never find a person guilty of unless there was tangible damage or injury: "disorderly conduct," "disturbing the peace" and "resisting arrest." No injury to the officer? Without a video showing an attack there was no resisting arrest in my opinion. A person doesn't have to assist police in their own physical injury, including assisting in having their arm twisted up behind their back.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay, so you would prefer to have some other form of justice system that the one we have created over the last eight or nine centuries? If you like your liberty you can keep your liberty.

    As soon as you decide that your neighbors can no longer act as a check on tyrannical powers then you will get more tyrannical powers. If you like arbitrary arrests and trials just keep going the way you are going.

    Grand Jury proceedings are secret for a variety of very good reasons. It is unusual for them to be made public.
    I see tyranny in this video but it wasn't being committed by Eric Garner.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay, so you would prefer to have some other form of justice system that the one we have created over the last eight or nine centuries? If you like your liberty you can keep your liberty.

    As soon as you decide that your neighbors can no longer act as a check on tyrannical powers then you will get more tyrannical powers. If you like arbitrary arrests and trials just keep going the way you are going.

    Grand Jury proceedings are secret for a variety of very good reasons. It is unusual for them to be made public.

    Posting falsehoods is now your specialty, isn't it? Grand jurors aren't your neighbors. There will not be ONE grand juror that lived in Gardener's neighborhood. Gardener is poor. Being a grand juror us generally a treat given to older political supporters and social types for the experience of having done so.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Personally, I doubt the choke hold had much to do with it. It was released quickly . . . he was talking after release.
    1) The autopsy stated that compression of the throat was a contributing factor to the subsequent cardiac arrest.
    2) He was saying "I CAN'T BREATHE."


    I think it was all about him being on his belly and cops being over-top of him. Try it yourself. Lie on the ground face down and have someone sit on you. You'll see. His weighing 300# and lying on his belly with weight on him is what killed him. His lungs couldn't expand.
    Yes, compression of Garner's chest, by the officers sitting on his back, were also a contributing factor.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Stand down, laddybuck. Conservative resistance to tyranny will always be implied, low-key, case-by-case, lest powers they relish be removed from government. If you want a full-out armed rebellion against tyranny, you need liberals.
    There is no historic basis for that. Both the left and the right can break out in armed rebellion.

    The government in the USA is far, far too powerful for there to ever be any wide scale rebellion no matter what the reason. No government on earth has more prepared itself to squash a rebellion of any size for any reason than the USA.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    1) The autopsy stated that compression of the throat was a contributing factor to the subsequent cardiac arrest.
    2) He was saying "I CAN'T BREATHE."



    Yes, compression of Garner's chest, by the officers sitting on his back, were also a contributing factor.
    Yes, and the overall stress and pain also added to it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It takes a long time to get the stench of pig off, some former police officers are never able to completely escape the scent.
    This is one of the ugliest statements I have seen here. I think this deserves flagging.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    No, but it doesn't necessarily help if you are going to be detained, or in the process of being detained.
    "Officer, can your articulate the reasoable suspicion for detaining me"?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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