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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    What special treatment was he looking for? By all accounts he wasn't breaking any laws and was tired of being hassled. Should he have just shut up and complied? Absolutely. On the other hand the cops absolutely could've handled it much better.

    And his 30 priors were all low level BS. The dude was not a drug kingpin. Just a schmuck trying to earn a couple of extra bucks at the margins for what's essentially a victimless crime.
    You should be protesting the liberal massive taxes New York City extracts from all. Liberals made it a crime. Liberals sent the police officers out to stop it. Protest the appropriate thing.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You should run to your local courthouse and volunteer to be on a grand jury.

    You have no idea what the grand jury heard as testimony. But you want revenge. This is the worst of human instincts.
    Great. Get your revenge. And then brace yourself for what must come. You are begging for tyranny. And if you succeed you shall have it.
    Right, we don't know what the Grand Jury heard but it would have to be remarkable if it goes against what this video clearly shows. I have to wonder if they even saw the video.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Cool. So in New York City a grand jury is optional? The government can charge anyone they want for whatever they want without independent citizen involvement? If that is the case then why ever convene a grand jury? Why not just give the prosecutor an enemies list and let him go at it?
    I don't know how the grand jury system works. And don't have the ambition to look into it. But I can absolutely assure you that not every prosecution requires a grand jury. As a matter of fact, if you remember Zimmerman, the DA was heartily criticized because she elected NOT to convene a grand jury.

    Okay, here ya' go:

    The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
    IOW, not every prosecution (in fact, few of them) require a grand jury.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No one with any sense wants to join the Tea-baggers.
    I am certain you wouldn't. Some people are near comatose and have no idea they are the ones being screwed by the coercive regulations and confiscatory taxes. The fun part is the usual suspects liked what you wrote. I am not surprised. It is a shame I have so many infraction points. I would love to use some of them in this post.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You should be protesting the liberal massive taxes New York City extracts from all. Liberals made it a crime. Liberals sent the police officers out to stop it. Protest the appropriate thing.
    Just as it's not a Black/White thing, nor is it a Liberal versus Conservative thing. It's a man's inhumanity to man thing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This isn't about race. It's the treatment of one human being by others.
    The only reason this made the news was because the media wanted to keep pushing the Furgeson angle. There are literally thousands of police brutality cases that get filed each year. Hell, do a youTube search, you'll be shocked at some of the stuff people have caught on camera.

    It's no coincidence that this story, now, gets airplay on the major networks, while some of the more egregious cases of police brutality that have been caught on tape simply go ignored.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses?
    Because cigarette laws did not cause the police officers to use excessive force, in violation of their own police department's code of conduct.


    This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death.
    Right. Anything to avoid any racial aspect of the case, or recognition of police brutality.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? The constitution already restricts.government and defines its purpose. The government is limited. If they're already not listening to the Constitution, what would an amendment do? We already have restrictions and laws, they merely need to be adhered to.
    Sometimes the Constitution needs some fine tuning to prevent tyrants from reigning indefinitely.

    You are like many who shrug and throw up your hands instead of doing what is necessary to preserve liberty. Very well. Arm up. The time of troubles will come if we do not have a Convention of States under Article V of the Constitution.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The only reason this made the news was because the media wanted to keep pushing the Furgeson angle. There are literally thousands of police brutality cases that get filed each year. Hell, do a youTube search, you'll be shocked at some of the stuff people have caught on camera.

    It's no coincidence that this story, now, gets airplay on the major networks, while some of the more egregious cases of police brutality that have been caught on tape simply go ignored.
    I have no doubt that the racial angle will be played or that it may be the reason for its newsworthiness. But the actions themselves, which is what we are discussing here, was not about race. If I am wrong, and if it was, all these officers should be charged.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure they are,

    In one you defended a man resisting lawful government action.
    In the other, you supported police harming an unarmed civilian for selling untaxed cigarettes.

    Those are two different issues in which your inconsistent positions on accountability are more than obvious.
    Both were lawful. There is no difference between them.

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