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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, people can't "file charges." That is a slogan myth. Only police or DAs can file charges.

    Yes, this is the final argument for being a submissive person. Life will be much easier on you if you are submissive and regressive.

    That's the motto of the stock brokers on the Stock Exchange floor too. Be submissive and docile. It is a highly desired trait and the route to success in life - being submissive to hostility.

    Do work in the food service industry in NYC maybe?
    No.....

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He forgot to say 'Please', huh?
    I would say that he forgot that he had the right to remain silent.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    It was a hypothetical question. Filing a compliant for starters.
    If Mr Garner does that I'll soon be bringing the dusty family Bible down from the attic.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    I would say that he forgot that he had the right to remain silent.
    It was using his right to refuse to speak with police that got him in a choke hold then sent barreling to the ground.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Really.

    I question the validity of the GJ in this case.
    Because it was obvious to anyone there was enough to indict.


    I would question this GJ and the process and investigate it. I'm not one to blame cops in fact the direct opposite. I'm also one for considering as much evidence as possible before coming to a judgement, so I'm probably one of the LAST people to speak out and claim something stinks .... in this case it's overwhelmingly wrong what happened. It's like a group of people all claiming gravity doesn't exist and the sky isn't blue when we obviously know different and it's obvious.
    You should run to your local courthouse and volunteer to be on a grand jury.

    You have no idea what the grand jury heard as testimony. But you want revenge. This is the worst of human instincts.
    Great. Get your revenge. And then brace yourself for what must come. You are begging for tyranny. And if you succeed you shall have it.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I heard on a news report that he died of compression to the neck area and I think his back, as it compressed his chest area. Cause of death. The report didn't say heart attack caused his death. But maybe the coroner found that it was the compression that caused the heart attack and so was the cause of death. Not sure. The coroner's report is probably on the internet somewhere.

    Compression may not be the same thing as "suffocation," which is the word you use. I didn't hear "suffocation" being used by the coroner. But maybe it's just semantics.

    I think so.

    The bottom line for me is that I think we're WAY too race-conscious in this society, and when I see stories like this one on the news I tend to react negatively toward it.

    Some people, particularly in the liberal media and among black community leaders, look at any arrest made by a white police officer on a black man as a racial incident. We've seen a string of these stories in the media lately, and, frankly, it's been questionable whether the officers even did anything wrong at all.

    I'm not saying police brutality, or police abusing their power isn't a problem. It most certainly is. I'm not even saying that blacks don't get unfairly profiled and harassed by white officers. I don't doubt that happens. I am just saying that these specific incidents aren't the best examples.

    But maybe that's me seeing things through the eyes of a white man, that's where I come from.

    The only fact I know for sure is this: white cops beat up blacks, black cops beat up whites, whites commit crimes against blacks, and blacks commit crimes against whites.

    What seems disingenuous to me is that you only ever hear one side of the story.... you only ever hear about the white cops that target black men, or the white teens that do some hate crime against black teens. You never hear the other side, even though it happens just as often.

    When I was researching this stuff, I ran across a youtube video of a large black cop who runs up out of nowhere and knees a white teen in the back, knocks him down, then proceeds to pummel him while yelling "move so I can beat your ass." Apparently the kid was skateboarding somewhere he wasn't supposed to, and he got lippy with the cop. Why wasn't THAT video on CNN? Why wasn't the race angle of the "knockout game" played up more in the media?

    I just grow cynical of the agenda. If it's racial one way, then it's racial both ways. Both races have some bad eggs, sometimes they're cops, sometimes they're criminals. The sooner we all realize that and stop defending a bad person just because they share our skin color, the better off we'll all be IMO.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    I would say that he forgot that he had the right to remain silent.
    HE was largely silent after the choke hold was applied, apart from muttering that he can't breath.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Obviously not. The best thing for him to do would have been to confess to whatever the officers said, done or said anything, , faked a heart attack, got on his knees begging for his life. Said, done anything, anything at all to keep his wife from becoming a widow and his children having no father. He should have considered the police more dangerous than any street gang.

    Unfortunately, he mistakenly believed he had human and civil rights in relation to the police. It cost him his life.
    He does have civil rights, but unfortunately he didn't use any. Perhaps his biggest flaw was that he talked too much.

    Most people who think they have nothing to hide speak alot, then they end up getting convicted for being honest, or blunt in this case.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    It was using his right to refuse to speak with police that got him in a choke hold then sent barreling to the ground.
    For the most part, Garner did all of the talking. So that is not correct...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think so.

    The bottom line for me is that I think we're WAY too race-conscious in this society, and when I see stories like this one on the news I tend to react negatively toward it.

    Some people, particularly in the liberal media and among black community leaders, look at any arrest made by a white police officer on a black man as a racial incident. We've seen a string of these stories in the media lately, and, frankly, it's been questionable whether the officers even did anything wrong at all.

    I'm not saying police brutality, or police abusing their power isn't a problem. It most certainly is. I'm not even saying that blacks don't get unfairly profiled and harassed by white officers. I don't doubt that happens. I am just saying that these specific incidents aren't the best examples.

    But maybe that's me seeing things through the eyes of a white man, that's where I come from.

    The only fact I know for sure is this: white cops beat up blacks, black cops beat up whites, whites commit crimes against blacks, and blacks commit crimes against whites.

    What seems disingenuous to me is that you only ever hear one side of the story.... you only ever hear about the white cops that target black men, or the white teens that do some hate crime against black teens. You never hear the other side, even though it happens just as often.

    When I was researching this stuff, I ran across a youtube video of a large black cop who runs up out of nowhere and knees a white teen in the back, knocks him down, then proceeds to pummel him while yelling "move so I can beat your ass." Apparently the kid was skateboarding somewhere he wasn't supposed to, and he got lippy with the cop. Why wasn't THAT video on CNN? Why wasn't the race angle of the "knockout game" played up more in the media?

    I just grow tired of the agenda. If it's racial one way, then it's racial both ways. Both races have some bad eggs, sometimes they're cops, sometimes they're criminals. The sooner we all realize that and stop defending a bad person just because they share our skin color, the better off we'll all be IMO.
    This isn't about race. It's the treatment of one human being by others.

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