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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    That is the price you pay for being civilised society. It seems you prefer avoiding subtlety and want to be hostile towards law enforcement. That is counter intuitive.
    Still trying to misrepresent my explanation of your points?

    No. It means that people should comply with reasonable orders given by law enforcement to have the situation resolved with the least amount of violence possible.

    Even if you aren't a fan of police, saying 'leave me alone' was probably not the best way to handle it.
    There is nothing reasonable about holding a man in a chokehold because he talked in a way you didn't like.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it were, it would have been one vote for indictment.
    I believe you are better than this. You have not seen the evidence. You are going along with the mob.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The color of his skin is beside the point, though much will be made of it. What they did was just wrong, Black or White, man or woman.
    It was a hypothetical question.

    How is Eric Garner going to file for police harassment?
    Filing a compliant for starters.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is no factual question over whether it was a homicide nor whether the police assaulted him. Those are just truisms.

    However, the legal question is what it "justifiable homicide," were the assaults illegal, was it "reckless endangerment" or "official oppression?" The prosecutor's office said no, no, no and no - so that's that.
    You're preaching to the choir. However, VanceMack and others haved tried their hardest to make the guys death look like it was from natural causes. That's about as dishonest as saying JFK didn't die because Oswald killed him, he died because his brain popped out of his skull.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Apparently, what that means, for people who support the police's action is that he died of natural causes. Seriously.
    Well it is natural, I suppose, if one person is choking you, another is pressing your head in the concrete and not allowing you to breath, and a couple more are sitting on you. Death then is quite natural.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then your definition of resisting is false.
    Or yours is. It really does not matter to me. The Grand Jury, I am certain, was advised about the law as part of the evidence. Stop being a little boy. Put on your big boy pants.

    And in this case, they were wrong.
    Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. This is justice.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Even if you aren't a fan of police, saying 'leave me alone' was probably not the best way to handle it.
    Obviously not. The best thing for him to do would have been to confess to whatever the officers said, done or said anything, , faked a heart attack, got on his knees begging for his life. Said, done anything, anything at all to keep his wife from becoming a widow and his children having no father. He should have considered the police more dangerous than any street gang. People might come to his rescue - and the police might too - if a street gang was attacking him.

    Unfortunately, he mistakenly believed he had human and civil rights in relation to the NYPD. It cost him his life.

    And as you read on this forum, many agree it should have and that he accordingly had committed suicide by cop.

    NYC is one of the most violent, dangerous cities in the world. The NYPD are part of that violence, although not the worse of it for sure.

    We visited NYC recently. It was interesting but we greatly disliked it. Human life and individuality is cheap there. You want to be the value of a nobody, go to NYC. We only had one interaction with the police. Towards me, their instant reaction was nervous annoyance preparing towards trouble as in I was only potential trouble. But very personable, talkative and pleasant towards my Mrs. - for which I said nothing, ducked my head and stepped back submissively and she moved closer and between them and I. This level of tension and easing over the mere question of asking directions.

    Don't fuck with the NYPD. Don't disagree. Don't argue. Don't bother them. No questions. Avoid them any way possible. Chicago police are more dangerous, but the NYPD is plenty dangerous. NYPD seems more a NYPD us-versus-them (people) team attitude. Chicago is more a collective of mavericks and high testosterone stags confident they can do any damn thing they want because of that badge. The difference between WE are the NYPD and I am a Chicago cop as a power statement.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    That is the price you pay for being civilised society. It seems you prefer avoiding subtlety and want to be hostile towards law enforcement. That is counter intuitive.

    No. It means that people should comply with reasonable orders given by law enforcement to have the situation resolved with the least amount of violence possible.

    Even if you aren't a fan of police, saying 'leave me alone' was probably not the best way to handle it.
    He forgot to say 'Please', huh?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still trying to misrepresent my explanation of your points?
    How am I misrepresenting your explanation? You believe no one should sit idle and take harassment. You don't believe simply complying to reasonable orders give by law enforcement is effective.

    What exactly would you do?

    There is nothing reasonable about holding a man in a chokehold because he talked in a way you didn't like.
    It wasn't because he talked back to police.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you realize his death was ruled a homicide? I'll give you a clue. Homicide doesn't mean he died because of an asthma attack. Please keep making stuff up. It's fun to see you play the real vs. fake game.
    Homocide. Right.

    Homicide is the act of a human killing another human.[1]
    We can agree it was not death due to a bee sting or a lightning strike.

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