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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well if the cops are going to apply choke-holds and murder those who try to argue then I expect the courts will be kept quite full.
    I've seem people get detained for disobeying and being disorderly for simply things such as receiving tickets, as if it's the worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone.

    If I get a ticket, I'll either pay it, plead guilty or fight it in court, but I'm not going to agitate anyone. Every action gives an equal but opposite reaction...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is discretion no longer a part of a cop's arsenal of available options? He was also the father of six children and the cops didn't even see him selling cigarettes. This was murder. Eric Garner Video: Staten Island Police Chokehold Death
    In my opinion the officer who jumped him from behind with the chock hold committed "felony reckless endangerment."

    The officer who shoved his head into the concrete with his body weight committed felony assault.

    I would need to see the coroner's report (and other experts reports on the autopsy) before considering manslaughter. I would not find it to be murder.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, we know, we know. Allow yourself to be harassed and then hope courts see things your way later.
    Then file charges for police harassment. Maybe things would be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, whate do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Then file charges for police harassment.
    And hope the courts see things you way. You're not really doing much to counter my points.

    Maybe things will be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, would do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?
    I don't have a narrative towards this at all. I explained what your response meant. It meant that you believe people should allow themselves to be harassed and then, hopefully, peut-Ítre, one day, maybe, quizas, quizas quizas, they'll get justice.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    But the cop is really sorry. Shouldn't that make things better for the family?
    Saying sorry to the cops or the judge has never worked for me. Even pleading insanity doesn't seem to do the trick.

    I doubt this guy has ever bought that 'I'm sorry' excuse from others.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes we know Vancemack, play the game of real vs. fake. It allows you to avoid discussing what everyone saw happened in this video. However, for all your distractions, they don't detract from the fact that this guy was being arrested for allegedly selling a few cigarettes. Spare me your support for other cases you feel people were really abused. I don't honestly give much of a **** about your ever changing standards for when black men should be and shouldn't be attacked. I'm surprised you haven't brought up a Malcolm X quote about Democrats or complained about how people aren't discussing black on black violence. It must be because this guy was seen by cops breaking up a fight or you would have jumped on that strategy. Now all you have is the fake vs. real game and I'm really not interested in discussing whether someone should be violently brought down for the terrible crime of being angry that police harass him.
    Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses? This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Then file charges for police harassment. Maybe things would be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, whate do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?
    No, people can't "file charges." That is a slogan myth. Only police or DAs can file charges.

    Yes, this is the final argument for being a submissive person. Life will be much easier on you if you are submissive and regressive.

    That's the motto of the stock brokers on the Stock Exchange floor too. Be submissive and docile. It is a highly desired trait and the route to success in life - being submissive to hostility.

    Do work in the food service industry in NYC maybe?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    I've seem people get detained for disobeying and being disorderly for simply things such as receiving tickets, as if it's the worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone.

    If I get a ticket, I'll either pay it, plead guilty or fight it in court, but I'm not going to agitate anyone. Every action gives an equal but opposite reaction...
    Eric Garner did not apply a choke-hold on anyone so Newton's third law doesn't apply here.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In my opinion the officer who jumped him from behind with the chock hold committed "felony reckless endangerment."

    The officer who shoved his head into the concrete with his body weight committed felony assault.

    I would need to see the coroner's report (and other experts reports on the autopsy) before considering manslaughter. I would not find it to be murder.
    Apparently the coroner ruled it as a homicide and the video would bear this out. If they were not cops but gang members, and doing exactly the same thing, the ruling would have been the same, though charges would certainly have been laid.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses?
    Ah, so now taxes are to blame for this? Lol. Nonsense.

    This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death.
    Desperation is always the first sign of a person losing an argument. That you've reverted to political diatribes makes that obvious.
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