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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    He looked like he was being choked to me!

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You've convinced me. There are only two options: let the guy go, or perform an illegal chokehold. NYPD must have been drunk when they banned chokeholds, because now they can't ever arrest anyone!


    It wasn't a Choke hold.

    Watch the damn video. That was NOT a chokehold.

    A choke hold deliberately cuts off blood flow to the brain.

    That was a headlock. Typically people regain consciousness after being in choke holds because blood is allowed to return to the brian after the hold is released.

    For a REAL Choke hold to be fatal it would have to continue to be applied for several minutes after the person lost consciousness.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, cops are not government, not the ignorant way you use the word. They generally are not federal or state, but local hires following local rules. They follow the state and federal constitution and cooperate in enforcing state and federal law when called to. Once again, because you're having such trouble with it, local government is the closest of the three to the People themselves and is directly representative.
    Local government is still.....government. Interesting that you can't seem to grasp that. The agents of government are government agents. Again, interesting that you can't seem to grasp that. Government vs. the People. As always.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, cops are not government, not the ignorant way you use the word. They generally are not federal or state, but local hires following local rules. They follow the state and federal constitution and cooperate in enforcing state and federal law when called to. Once again, because you're having such trouble with it, local government is the closest of the three to the People themselves and is directly representative.
    you cannot expect to win this argument
    of course law enforcement officers are part of the government
    they enforce the government's laws
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Someone charged with Manslaughter still INTENDS to Kill his victim.
    Wrong. If it's intentional then the charge is murder. People go to jail for accidentally killing people all the time, it's called manslaughter. The idea of killing the person never even entered your brain but your direct actions still resulted in their death, that's called manslaughter. A good example is vehicular manslaughter. None of us go out for a drive hoping to hit someone but if we do because we did the wrong thing then we can go to jail for manslaughter even if we feel like total **** about it.

    You need to stop equivocating. It's already been admitted that the chokehold was against policy, probably because, oh, I don't know, it could kill someone? The police officer killed someone. It was on footage. The fact that you're still apologizing for it when everyone in the thread agrees about what happened just shows the kind of warp police apologist world you're living in.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What are Police Officers supposed to do when someone resist arrest ?

    Let them go ?

    Not take them into custody because the guy just doesn't feel like being hamd cuffed today ?

    Should Criminals be allowed to say " F-you Cop, you're not taking me in " because the Police are too scared of doing their jobs ?

    My best friend from High School is a police officer and told me that at least 50 percent of the people he cuffs suddenly develope acute respiratory failure.

    They " can't breath ". So what's he supposed to do ? Believe someone who'll say just about anything to NOT go to jail ?
    Okay lets say I agree with the tske down.....

    When someone is repeatively saying "I CAN'T BREATHE" you need to check on him. When the guy has no motion, why the hell did they not try to revive him.

    I can't believe people are justifying this !!!!!!

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Why were they arresting him in the first place? Selling "loosey" is not an offense that warrants arrest.


    Is that all there is to the story ?

    Had the guy not been caught before doing the same thing?

    And why wouldn't someone who was breaking the law be arrested ?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn
    Edit: It seems that the man in this case had 31 prior arrests for similar minor offenses and apparently "knew the drill" - what possessed him to resist this one to the death is puzzling.
    Maybe he was just fed up. It's not going to happen real soon, I don't think, but there are a few things that the mostly-white 50-something well-to-do financial managers who really run this country are going to discover about oppressing people at some point. It won't be pleasant, I'm afraid. In the meantime, if he had 30-odd other arrests for something he thought he should be able to do, or which was basically his only option for making a living, he may have simply had enough.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate the circumstances - as I noted in my original comment, as I edited it, the information of the 31 historical incidents came to me after I'd made my point. I'd have to ask how the other 31 incidents were handled. Clearly, wouldn't you agree, that the police found a way to charge/arrest him the other 31 times without killing him, so what was their secret? Alternately, as I said previously, what was it about this time that caused him to resist arrest to the point of dying?

    Again, I agree that this man contributed to his own demise but not to the extent that Michael Brown did. What bothers me is that this is such a petty crime and one that involves no evidence of violence that I know of. There are lots of "crimes" where police simply get ID and issue a summons - shoplifting, public indecency, etc. - this seems similar in insignificance, but the grand jury likely has gotten more evidence. Perhaps in one or more of those other 31 incidents, the man also resisted arrest and an officer was hurt in the process - that seems possible, but I don't know.
    This is from the wiki link posted:

    On July 17, 2014, at 4:45 p.m., Eric Garner was approached by a plainclothes police officer, Justin Damico, in front of a beauty supply store at 202 Bay Street in the Tompkinsville neighborhood in Staten Island. After telling the police officers, "I was just minding my own business. Every time you see me you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today!"[20]
    They may have done so except that he had decided to become combative, so they chose instead to hook him up.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Okay lets say I agree with the tske down.....

    When someone is repeatively saying "I CAN'T BREATHE" you need to check on him. When the guy has no motion, why the hell did they not try to revive him.

    I can't believe people are justifying this !!!!!!
    That part actually does look pretty bad from what I saw.

    I don't know how much medical training NY Police Officers recieve and whether or not they could or should have done something for him.

    How fast did they call in for EMT support and why didn't they attempt CPR ? I would be interested in knowing that

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