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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'm Not sure how much a risk a stout would be in a financiak district tourist bar. *shrug*.


    open door is pretty cool too, then there's that one with the odd gastro pub name around the corner from fraunces tavern as well.
    My firm is in midtown in the building of what was formally known as Lehman Brothers, so that is quite a distant. The only time I am close to the financial district is when there are open house events at Goldman Sachs, which is also not in the financial district (weird, I know).

    But I'll try visiting sometime.

    BTW I made a killing on BABA
    Bullish on China, I see.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why did he need arresting? Couldn't they just give him a ticket?
    None of us truly know what the police was there for, and Garner was clearly no stranger to the law.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's my understanding they sell them to the homeless, those who've "quit smoking" and e-cig smokers. No, I'm not that stupid.

    Yet.



    Well, I just looked it up. Here's a whole article about loosies. I thought they bought them legally, but apparently they're mostly bootlegged from out of state. Ooops. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ny...anted=all&_r=0

    Why is there even a question of it IF he was doing illegally selling cigarettes? Clearly he would have the cigarettes on him.

    ANYONE ELSE ever notice NO mention has EVER been made of the police stating they found those cigarettes on him - despite that being ENTIRELY what this supposedly was all about.

    "We arrested him because someone said he had a gun" ... and then SILENCE about the question of "what about that alleged gun?"

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wouldn't. There was no probable cause.
    Of course there was. According to Lutherf, this guy was a turf war waiting to happen. By arresting him! We spared the life of some poor little girl who would have died from stray bullets. Here is the post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Selling loosies, tagging, rolling bones in the alley, etc. It's all small stuff. Nobody should hassle with it.

    Except that it never ends there.

    One day someone gets pissed someone moved in on "their" territory and throws a punch. The "victim" comes back with a motorcycle chain. Next thing you know there's a gun, sad as it seems, little Suzy who was just playing on her doorstep gets an "accidental" bullet in her head.

    You can't just let "the small stuff" go. All that does is set a precedent for bigger stuff.
    Because of this grandiose police action, the Great Cigarillo War of 2067 was avoided. Phew. We can all rest easy.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen.
    It probably started off as a mere confrontal for selling bootleg cigarettes; however, things can always escalate.

    This is why I say, don't plead your case on the streets. Plead your case in court.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wouldn't. There was no probable cause.
    Not at first, anyway.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    It probably started off as a mere confrontal for selling bootleg cigarettes; however, things can always escalate.

    This is why I say, don't plead your case on the streets. Plead your case in court.
    Yes, we know, we know. Allow yourself to be harassed and then hope courts see things your way later.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Have you seen the coroners report? Id actually really like to see it. Can you post a link?

    Maybe he DID INDEED die of a heart attack. But excessive force? Dood was taken to the ground and handcuffed. Thats pretty standard and appropriate procedure for resisting arrest.
    Really? What they did to him was "standard procedure?" And you approve of it obviously.

    What is the standard procedure for committing a burglary? Obviously if "standard procedure" it's legal. Defense attorney's should remember the "standard procedure" defense.
    "He didn't rape her in other than in the standard procedure for rapists." Clearly then "Not Guilty."

    IN FACT, I do believe THE PRIMARY COMPLAINT OF PROTESTORS IS THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR THE NYPD.

    I'm not sure I agree with you that ALL NYPD act this way, but maybe you know more about that than I do.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen.
    Is discretion no longer a part of a cop's arsenal of available options? He was also the father of six children and the cops didn't even see him selling cigarettes. This was murder. Eric Garner Video: Staten Island Police Chokehold Death

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is discretion no longer a part of a cop's arsenal of available options? He was also the father of six children and the cops didn't even see him selling cigarettes. This was murder. Eric Garner Video: Staten Island Police Chokehold Death
    But the cop is really sorry. Shouldn't that make things better for the family?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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