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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    High profile case that will undoubtedly be reviewed by the fed? Family attorneys already having independent coroners running reviews? No way this doesnt get scrutinized 10 ways from Sunday and no way a prosecutor hides or buries facts in this case.

    Its tragic the guy died but he did NOT die from excessive police force. He resisted arrest and they took him to the ground with minimal force. He died of a heart attack. He was a prime candidate for a heart attack just hitching up his pants. Not being flippant...its just factual. Get in tussles in that condition and it wasnt a matter of if for him...it was when.

    You are minimizing the cops culpability. They never should have been so aggressive for a suspicion of a misdemeanor violation.


    This could have been handled with "we got your number eric, we'll be back with a warrant for you home", or some such. He was not observed committing a crime or in possesion of contraband, the police had no probable cause.


    The man should not have died for being fed up with harassment.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Even if everything else they considered was in the cops favor, the video by itself is enough to indict.
    Not necessarily.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes, I think it plays a role in that. It's obviously, not the only variable, but it is a variable.
    Mathematically it would be like r = x1 + x2 + x3 + x4 + ... + xn
    r being the end result of this police culture, well, this 0 tolerance prevalence in the USA is one of those x's.

    And 0 tolerance policies are the trademark of leftist, so-called "progressive" mindset and people who subscribe to it. And they've pushed this cultural norm in areas of life where it shouldn't be the cultural norm and it has now made its way into the police force, well, at least some of it. It's already the norm in many schools and especially, "academia" which is dominated by morons, I mean, progressive professors. The generation you raise is the people you have and the people in a country define that country.



    As I said above, I think it has to do with the 0-tolerance culture norm that seems to be prevalent in america and gradually, in the rest of the world too. see comment 908 for more.
    Mostly agree, but the absurd zero tolerance policies are more right wing authoritarian than they are "progressive." The seem regressive to me.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You are minimizing the cops culpability. They never should have been so aggressive for a suspicion of a misdemeanor violation.


    This could have been handled with "we got your number eric, we'll be back with a warrant for you home", or some such. He was not observed committing a crime or in possesion of contraband, the police had no probable cause.


    The man should not have died for being fed up with harassment.
    Sometimes police officers need to be aggressive to subdue suspects. Not everything is what it seems on the other side.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    That is for the grand jury to decide. If the cop did not act illegally, he should not be charged with homicide, negligent homicide, etc just because a suspect in bad health died from it.
    “I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves," Pantaleo said. "It is never my intention to harm anyone".

    That's an odd thing to say after using an illegal choke-hold on a New York citizen who eventually died from Pantaleo's actions.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Sometimes police officers need to be aggressive to subdue suspects. Not everything is what it seems on the other side.
    This man didn't need subduing.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The officer never said he thought his life was in danger.....he said he became fearful when between Garner and the glass window.





    Banned Chokehold Is Used

    Officer Pantaleo reaches around Mr. Garner’s neck. He holds Mr. Garner in what William J. Bratton, the police commissioner, said appeared to be a chokehold.

    Legal issues : The New York City Police Department has banned the use of this particular hold, but the grand jury would only consider this to the extent that it indicated whether the officer was intentionally trying to kill Mr. Garner, acting “recklessly,” or in a “criminally negligent” manner, the legal definitions of various levels of murder and manslaughter.

    Officer Pantaleo: The officer said he was attempting to use a maneuver that employs leverage to force a larger man to the ground. He said he did not intend to use a chokehold and that he learned the maneuver at the Police Academy.....snip~
    My God....is that photo before or after or before Garner said he could breath? What exactly are you defending here, MMC?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This man didn't need subduing.
    Perhaps, but I (or most others) can't make that determination because I'm not a police officer.

    I generally think police misconduct should be left to Internal Affairs, not the District Attorneys office...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This man didn't need subduing.
    He did not.
    And, since the police are sworn to "protect", remember that no one needs to be protected from a guy like Garner. Protect me from the gang banger who likes to rob people at gunpoint. Don't protect me from the guy selling cigarettes on the street. I can protect myself by not buying them.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Sometimes police officers need to be aggressive to subdue suspects. Not everything is what it seems on the other side.


    I agree, this wasn't one of those times.


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