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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right. Like taking a man to the ground and handcuffing him. I agree. Unfortunately, in that incident, the guy resisting arrest had about 8,327 too many cheeseburgers and likely had a heart attack.
    Probably not the choke holding, probably not the piling on of other officers once the individual as given up. You know, just curbing the excess force a tad.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    Oh yeah, the law is bull****, but it's merely a consequence of our sin tax. And $14 is the highest price I've seen for cigs (probably Virginia Slims or Benson & Hedges). The average price for cigs (Newports, Camel, Marlboro) would be around $11 - $13. The lowest I've seen is $10 for everything else I think.

    Point is, smoking is a very expensive habit to have in New York city, and a very lucrative business if you aren't paying the tax for selling cigs. Just seems really silly to me how people can focus on race instead of why this happened in the first place, which was the cigarettes.



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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    If I am not doing anything threatening, and a cop goes to grab me and doesn't tell me I am under arrest then saying "don't touch me" is "resisting arrest"? Street cops have an enormous amount of discretion and should use it to maintain public safety and order, not create unnecessary chaos. Are they so unskilled at their profession that this was the best way they could come up with to handle the situation? This is speculation on my part but I think these cops just wanted to practice their take down skills on the big guy and maintain their rep in the district they work in, protection and safety of the public did nor enter their consideration.
    If Mr. Garner was wanted for murder or rape then go for it. He was trying to take advantage of the city's oppressive taxation and hustle a few bucks. Write him a citation and call it a day. Our country is so polarized that most people run for their ideological corner and view the incident through a racial or political prism. This is about what kind of nation we want to live in and should transcend politics.
    To anyone maintaining that the police were just following procedure I have a question:
    Imagine your 16 year old daughter is approached by a group of cops for suspected shoplifting (a more serious offense than the one Mr. Garner was suspected of). She loudly protests. The cop goes to grab her arm and she says "don't touch me". She is now put in a choke hold and slammed to the ground. You are all hunky-dory with this, right?
    In this scenario is my 16 year old daughter 6' and 350 lbs? Then probably, yes.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    They've recently increased the legal smoking age here to 21, so I guess that is obviously working...
    Hey, I'm not at all for the NYC law or the sin taxes. But it is what it is. Even so, I'm still okay with restricting sales of cigs and alcohol to minors.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's my understanding they sell them to the homeless, those who've "quit smoking" and e-cig smokers. No, I'm not that stupid.

    Yet.



    Well, I just looked it up. Here's a whole article about loosies. I thought they bought them legally, but apparently they're mostly bootlegged from out of state. Ooops. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/ny...anted=all&_r=0
    That's mostly the reason I asked. The homeless aren't spending 2 bucks on smokes. They're being sold for 75 cents. Hell, if he sold a whole pack, he's still not making 2$ a smoke. Lucrative my ass. If he was in his 40s and still peddling smokes, he wasn't the big bad criminal the police brutality apologists claim he was. Source: I know more about illicit drug sales than most cops.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, just going from what has been reported in the press.
    Sure...and the coroners preliminary report DID cite his hypertension, apnea, asthma, blood pressure, etc (all related to his morbid obesity) so it is a fair assumption. ESPECIALLY since there is absolutely no way POSSIBLE the 'choke' caused his death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Probably not the choke holding, probably not the piling on of other officers once the individual as given up. You know, just curbing the excess force a tad.
    I will bet that when the autopsy report is finally released that we will find he died of a heart attack. The 'choke hold' was applied for 8 seconds. Just long enough to get him from up to down.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The contradictions in your posts are getting insanely ridiculous.

    First you claim the police told him to leave in the video.
    Then, when asked to show us in what part of the video, you come back to claim this assertion is based on the commentary of one person. Meaning, you can't really show us when the police told him to leave.
    Then you tell us you're wondering about the fight which isn't in the video either but is only supported by that commentary.

    You're desperately looking for an argument and I'm really just done with your ducking and dodging. Not only could you not support your assertions about what was said in the video, you relied on someone's commentary and the questioned the part of that commentary which doesn't help you. Here's the question again and for the last time, hell, I'll even make it clearer so you won't try and dodge: At what minute:second can the police be heard telling him to leave?
    I told you where I heard it, the exact second. I've grown tired of your bizarre games. The fellow taking the vid said he was ordered to leave. Do you somehow assume it wasn't the police that did that? I don't know where you're going to jump next to justify the failure of all your arguments thus far. I've read in this thread that it was the store that called police in the first place to have him removed. Is that not true? Do you even know?

    I'm done with you, I've allowed you to string me along for too long now. Cling to the ignorance.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Still refusing to learn about the system you want so much to comment upon. In a grand jury the prosecutor's evidence is cross examined to determine if it's enough to bring charges.
    You are still dodging....

    Afraid of a real unbiased trial....
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I will bet that when the autopsy report is finally released that we will find he died of a heart attack. The 'choke hold' was applied for 8 seconds. Just long enough to get him from up to down.


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