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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've been thinking about this event. What a tragedy. I mean, think about a guy who's trying to earn some (what amounts to) spare change selling loosies on the streets of New York. And he's dead now. IMO, it has to do with training. De-escalation is a cop's friend.

    So, what else might the cops have done with this guy?

    "Hey, man, we've had a couple of complaints from business owners nearby. You're either going to have to move on? Or we're going to have to arrest you. Your choice. Me? I don't want to do the paperwork. Keep moving." Frankly, that could've been done from out-the-window of a squad car. Circle a 4-block area and come back to make sure he's gone.

    If he doesn't leave, then we're back to a confrontation. I like to think/hope that we all agree with the rule of law in this country. But what kind of confrontation? I'd say a taser, not a 5-guy pile-on. That should probably be policy. I envision this:

    "You're under arrest (for xxxxx). So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to cuff you and take you down to the station. If you resist, that officer over there is going to taze you, and, on top of this misdemeanor charge, you're going to jail for resisting arrest." (Other officer standing with tazer in hand.)

    Too fat to get tazed? Too bad. Too old to get tazed? Too bad. There simply MUST be procedures that cops are required to follow before they can do a pile-on. We have the technology. Body cameras, tasers, etc. It's time we learned how to use them all.

    It's also too bad the DA decided a grand jury was appropriate. This was a wrongful (albeit accidental) death. "I can't breath - I can't breath - I can't breath" means the guy was subdued. His lying on his stomach with weight on his back from the grappling officers? The consequence of that (his death) can be easily predicted. The officers should have been charged. No grand jury required.
    You can actually earn lots of money selling loosies here. You would not believe how much cigarettes cost here, which is probably why police take this law so seriously here...

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Please tell us during what minute:second the cops asked him to leave.
    So now you've abandoned the one goalpost change and are on to denying everything. Please, stop the games. I'll take another look at your compilation and get back to you. You can prepare by dreaming up the next bit of spaghetti you wish to fling.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So now you've abandoned the one goalpost change and are on to denying everything. Please, stop the games. I'll take another look at your compilation and get back to you. You can prepare by dreaming up the next bit of spaghetti you wish to fling.
    You won't tell us what minute second this happened on? Great.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    You can actually earn lots of money selling loosies here. You would not believe how much cigarettes cost here, which is probably why police take this law so seriously here...
    Oh, I will forever think that's a chicken-**** law, WSV. I heard on the news today that a pack costs $14 in NYC. So, they GET their tax. If some guys want to sell them for $2 apiece? That, to me, is free enterprise. That law is baloney.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Taking the ill informed side of it: then why weren't they put on trial since they obviously contributed to his death? No Justice, No Peace!
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Howdy P!

    Yes, there appears to be a new wave of "victimization" in this country. In the 60's we were trying to overcome adversity. Sure, people advocated for the rights of women and the rights of blacks but there was a general presumption that blacks and women would also strive to overcome those things that were holding them back. It was a two sided effort.

    However, at that same time there arose an academic cadre that discovered that there was a lot of power and money to be had in "victim assistance". If you were a good "victim's advocate" or "community organizer" you could get a whole lot of say in how much money the government should provide to assist the cause of equality. You could also have a lot of say in how and to whom that money got distributed.

    It wasn't too long after that realization that it became apparent to some that all these people that were being helped made up one heck of a bloc of voters and how better to secure votes than by the old carrot and stick routine? You could hand out "assistance" with one hand but there would always be the understanding that disagreement with the system would mean that assistance would be at risk.

    The last revelation in the chain was that if this voting bloc could be expanded quite a bit if only more people were victims of "inequality" and needed assistance. That's where we are now. There is a MASSIVE effort to get people to believe that they are victims of something. Blacks are supposed to be victims of whites. Gays are supposed to be victims of straights. Atheists are supposed to be victims of theists. Blondes are victims of brunettes. Everyone is a victim of corporations and government is a victim of the people.

    Welcome to the 21st Century!!!

    It's not what I pictured but it seems to be what I have to deal with.
    Not too long ago, if you were being "victimized," that was a very bad thing. Now, it's accepted and even something to strive for? Thanks anyway, Big Government, but I'll pass. I never thought the 21st Century meant I had to go back in time, and live Orwell's 1984, but it appears my parents erred in raising me the way they did, and it's just something that I will need time to adjust to. DAMN! Unlearning things are proving more difficult than I imagined. It's probably an inherited DNA thing..... ... :

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I will forever think that's a chicken-**** law, WSV. I heard on the news today that a pack costs $14 in NYC. So, they GET their tax. If some guys want to sell them for $2 apiece? That, to me, is free enterprise. That law is baloney.

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    I liked this cause it made me laugh. Lol, you're not a smoker are ya? If you're going to be buying smokes for $2 a piece in NYC, you may as well buy a whole pack. I guess it would work if you need a fix, but for the most part - $2 a smoke would easily run you more than the pack's cost by the 7th cigarette.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You won't tell us what minute second this happened on? Great.
    Again, quit the silly games, I told you I'd rewatch the video. At 50 seconds in the commentator who is taking the video says, "this guy right here is being forced to leave because he was breaking up a fight"/

    Btw, I'm still wondering about that fight thing, there has been no mention of any fight in the reporting I've read.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    You can actually earn lots of money selling loosies here. You would not believe how much cigarettes cost here, which is probably why police take this law so seriously here...
    That and they sell to kids.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I will forever think that's a chicken-**** law, WSV. I heard on the news today that a pack costs $14 in NYC. So, they GET their tax. If some guys want to sell them for $2 apiece? That, to me, is free enterprise. That law is baloney.
    Oh yeah, the law is bull****, but it's merely a consequence of our sin tax. And $14 is the highest price I've seen for cigs (probably Virginia Slims or Benson & Hedges). The average price for cigs (Newports, Camel, Marlboro) would be around $11 - $13. The lowest I've seen is $10 for everything else I think.

    Point is, smoking is a very expensive habit to have in New York city, and a very lucrative business if you aren't paying the tax for selling cigs. Just seems really silly to me how people can focus on race instead of why this happened in the first place, which was the cigarettes.

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