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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Exactly!! Does anyone know if this cop at LEAST received a reprimand, or was it, "oh well ***** happens"

    There is still an internal investigation ongoing which will determine whether the officer acted contrary to policy, which could result in "administrative action".... potentially anything from a reprimand or suspension to being fired, though the latter is improbable.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is no "the government" in this case. There is state, local and federal governments. This is a local government system, the government closest to the people.
    Cops are government. So yes, there is "The Government" in this case. Government, on all levels, is to be restricted and to obey the rights and liberties of the People. Is this something you've forgotten?
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is still an internal investigation ongoing which will determine whether the officer acted contrary to policy, which could result in "administrative action".... potentially anything from a reprimand or suspension to being fired, though the latter is improbable.
    What if it's the policy itself that's cocked up? How do we get that reviewed?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then let's get back to the scenario addressed before
    this fellow has a history of 31 incidents of the same scofflaw crime
    at what point would the police have legitimate basis to place him under arrest
    I appreciate the circumstances - as I noted in my original comment, as I edited it, the information of the 31 historical incidents came to me after I'd made my point. I'd have to ask how the other 31 incidents were handled. Clearly, wouldn't you agree, that the police found a way to charge/arrest him the other 31 times without killing him, so what was their secret? Alternately, as I said previously, what was it about this time that caused him to resist arrest to the point of dying?

    Again, I agree that this man contributed to his own demise but not to the extent that Michael Brown did. What bothers me is that this is such a petty crime and one that involves no evidence of violence that I know of. There are lots of "crimes" where police simply get ID and issue a summons - shoplifting, public indecency, etc. - this seems similar in insignificance, but the grand jury likely has gotten more evidence. Perhaps in one or more of those other 31 incidents, the man also resisted arrest and an officer was hurt in the process - that seems possible, but I don't know.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What if it's the policy itself that's cocked up? How do we get that reviewed?


    I read that choke holds are against policy, so I would expect some sort of reprimand or discipline if it is believed that he used one.



    Even back in my day, we knew choke holds were dangerous on people over 40, even when done properly.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly, without premeditation. They didn't go out saying "I'm going to kill someone", but they did act recklessly in trying to apprehend this dude and killed him in the process.

    Manslaughter.


    But thats not Manslaughter.

    Someone charged with Manslaughter still INTENDS to Kill his victim.

    He may not have hatched a detailed plan to track the guy down and dispose of his body, but intent was there.

    There's a Reason the GJ didn't come back with a lesser charge. They couldn't.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Race is irrelevant in this case imo.

    The choke hold is not even the issue actually


    The fact that the cops end up killing a dude over selling bootleg cigarettes is what we all should be outraged over.

    why

    is that not a crime?

    had he not been arrested over 30 times prior for the exact same thing?

    do you want this to be a country of laws, or a country of lawlessness

    we can go back to the old west.....but a lot of you wont like either.......arguments settled by firearms in the middle of the street

    similar to what happens in chicago neighborhoods every weekend

    he broke laws.....he resisted arrest.....they tried to take him into custody

    stop being a criminal, and stop being a dumbass, and the police will leave your ass alone
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    The job of police is to detain you so that you can submit to due process.

    If they are killing people before justice is even served, then the police have become judge, jury and executioner. It's very wrong, and the system needs reform.

    Problem is, the system almost always takes the side of police officers. It's the blue line that they all tow. Sick.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    But thats not Manslaughter.

    Someone charged with Manslaughter still INTENDS to Kill his victim.

    He may not have hatched a detailed plan to track the guy down and dispose of his body, but intent was there.

    There's a Reason the GJ didn't come back with a lesser charge. They couldn't.
    That is indeed involuntary manslaughter. We have a crime for that.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Cops are government. So yes, there is "The Government" in this case. Government, on all levels, is to be restricted and to obey the rights and liberties of the People. Is this something you've forgotten?
    No, cops are not government, not the ignorant way you use the word. They generally are not federal or state, but local hires following local rules. They follow the state and federal constitution and cooperate in enforcing state and federal law when called to. Once again, because you're having such trouble with it, local government is the closest of the three to the People themselves and is directly representative.

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