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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    When he continued to resist arrest he became a threat.

    The cops primary focus in these situations is control. If the suspect appears to be on the verge of becoming uncontrollable then the cop is going to do something to regain that control. Ideally that escalation will be a stepped response and only enough force to regain control will be utilized. In my experience that's exactly what you saw in the video.
    The cops said he WASNT being arrested. That my problem with this so why take the guy down at all? If I was on the GJ I would have sent it to trail on that basis alone.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right. Like taking a man to the ground and handcuffing him. I agree. Unfortunately, in that incident, the guy resisting arrest had about 8,327 too many cheeseburgers and likely had a heart attack.
    Actually that is precisely what he died of.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, what is this? A game? VanceMack, I told you the cause of death was police action. Do you deny that? Or are you going with the asthma did it defense?
    I'd love to see the part of the body that stops working when "police action".

    Come on. This isnt that difficult. What was the physiological/cardio/vascular failure that killed him?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Th paramedics were suspended for not aiding garner. To address the red herring
    Taking the ill informed side of it: then why weren't they put on trial since they obviously contributed to his death? No Justice, No Peace!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Seriously, stop lying, dude.

    You said:


    Again I ask: Tell me what information you have that the GJ didn't.

    Do you have the full coroners report? No? Oh... GJ did.

    Do you have a transcript of the trial and all testimony? No? Oh... GJ did.

    Do you have ANY information other than the video? No? Oh... GJ did.
    Is there any filter for what I can see and hear? NO. The GJ did.
    Could I hear what everyone who examined the body said publicly? Yes. The GJ could not.
    Can I hear what experts of all kinds have publicly said? Yes. The GJ could not.
    Can I hear and see all evidence and information made public by anyone? Yes. Did the GJ? No.

    But I got it, to you, those in the criminal justice system are your God. God knows everything. No one else does, only your God does.

    Here's the fact again:

    "Of about 125,000 adult felony arrests in Manhattan in the last five years, grand juries have only dismissed charges three times."

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If you won't read there is no point to posting it again and again. There is no intellectual integrity nor consistency in your messages.
    Joko, I'm sure and Hatuey are all thinking alike, but none of you will answer the question. What did Garner die from? Heart attack? Crushed windpipe? Application of a choke hold that cut off blood and/or oxygen?

    Work together if you like. Coming from the same intellectual playing field you should be able to reach an ACTUAL cause of death.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The cops said he WASNT being arrested. That my problem with this so why take the guy down at all? If I was on the GJ I would have sent it to trail on that basis alone.
    Then you would have been only one of the 23. The other 22 who saw all the evidence, some you are not party to as yet, disagree.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Answers:

    The medical examiner/coroner makes a determination of the cause of death. This, of course, can be challenged in court.

    "Homicide" does NOT mean a crime was committed. Rather, it means the person was killed by another person or persons. Homicide of itself is not criminal. Criminal homicide is criminal. Think of the phrase "justifiable homicide."

    It wasn't accidental death because that death was brought on by the actions of another person or people. For it to be declared "accident" would mean you are claiming that if the assault against Gardener had not happened he would have died at that same time anyway.

    "Assault" is also accurate. Gardener WAS in fact assaulted by the police. The legal question is was it a legal assault. That's always why the only legal issues should NOT have been just whether Gardener was criminally killed - but also whether it was legal for the police to assault him. The DA took that off the table - as does nearly everyone on this thread.
    Rather, they only want to debate absolute extremes. Murder or not murder - not the overall legalities of it.
    My understanding was when the police came up to the man they said they weren't going to arrest him. IF that is the case why then cuff the man? There wouldn't have been any resistance. I think the resistance came about because they said one thing and did another. But what do I know.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, that compilation, if you disregard the very stupid text commentary, actually shows he was asked to leave the area.We know that prior to the video he was met by an undercover officer. That and the fact the store had called asking to have the illegal sellers to be cleared out pretty much put a pin in it.
    Lmao - What minute:second did he say that? You do realize it's not illegal to argue with a police officer about moving if you feel you have a right to be in that particular area, correct? However, I'll indulge your weak attempts at irrelevance.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Do you know the difference between a headlock (pictured below) and a choke hold?

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    I don't - do you believe the police department makes a big distinction between the two for purposes of banning the hold? I don't.
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