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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because it's not a process that yields the greatest evidence exposure to the jury. It only yields the evidence then competing attorneys think will help them win their case. Again, the grand jurors can question the witnesses.

    But really, your question betrays that you still haven't bothered to learn and understand the process involved.
    So...no cross interrogation allowed is fine with you? Can you not see the potential for bias?

    Evidently not.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Having come face to face with REAL jackbooted thugs, many (not all) on the right have decided to cower and show complete and utter deference to governent authority.

    Love of the Constitution my ass.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, you claimed the grand jury had more information than I do, proving none of that. What I proved is there was no filter between what I can learn, hear, read and see - and there was for the grand jury. It was not limited to what one person who didn't want a prosecution wanted me to see and hear.

    The NY GJ system is 100% worthless, a scam, a waste, nothing. Why don't you read up on it rather than raving of the grand jury system?
    Seriously, stop lying, dude.

    You said:
    In fact, the public has MORE access to information than the grand jury did, because there was no prosecutor's filter and censorship.
    Again I ask: Tell me what information you have that the GJ didn't.

    Do you have the full coroners report? No? Oh... GJ did.

    Do you have a transcript of the trial and all testimony? No? Oh... GJ did.

    Do you have ANY information other than the video? No? Oh... GJ did.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No its not if there isn't enough evidence to show that a crime was committed. By your logic we should also put the ER doctors and nurses that treated Eric Garner on trial because their may have been criminal malpractice... forget that there is no evidence of medical malpractice, isn't a man's life worth a trial?!
    Not a doctor....a cop.

    And it is on video. Your malpractice statement is just a meaningless red herring thrown out by you so you can try to cling to your cognitive dissonance.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What if you presented those videos you claimed exist that fill in the missing piece of the arrest video? Still waiting.
    I told you to look them up and even gave you exactly what to look for. However, since your what if arguments already got destroyed and you've got nothing else to lean on, here is a compilation of 3 (of the videos end to end) by 3 of the people who watched the incident.



    First video - 0:00-0:44
    Second video - 0:44-2:49
    Third video - 2:49-10:24.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So...no cross interrogation allowed is fine with you? Can you not see the potential for bias?

    Evidently not.
    Still refusing to learn about the system you want so much to comment upon. In a grand jury the prosecutor's evidence is cross examined to determine if it's enough to bring charges.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Answers:

    The medical examiner/coroner makes a determination of the cause of death. This, of course, can be challenged in court.

    "Homicide" does NOT mean a crime was committed. Rather, it means the person was killed by another person or persons. Homicide of itself is not criminal. Criminal homicide is criminal. Think of the phrase "justifiable homicide."

    It wasn't accidental death because that death was brought on by the actions of another person or people. For it to be declared "accident" would mean you are claiming that if the assault against Gardener had not happened he would have died at that same time anyway.

    "Assault" is also accurate. Gardener WAS in fact assaulted by the police. The legal question is was it a legal assault. That's always why the only legal issues should NOT have been just whether Gardener was criminally killed - but also whether it was legal for the police to assault him. The DA took that off the table - as does nearly everyone on this thread.
    Rather, they only want to debate absolute extremes. Murder or not murder - not the overall legalities of it.
    Thanks for this. Makes perfect sense. I think it's important for all of us to realize, though, what you said about homicide not necessarily being criminal. I tried to find that on line but couldn't.

    Thanks again.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No its not if there isn't enough evidence to show that a crime was committed. By your logic we should also put the ER doctors and nurses that treated Eric Garner on trial because their may have been criminal malpractice... forget that there is no evidence of medical malpractice, isn't a man's life worth a trial?!


    Th paramedics were suspended for not aiding garner. To address the red herring
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reasonable force.
    Right. Like taking a man to the ground and handcuffing him. I agree. Unfortunately, in that incident, the guy resisting arrest had about 8,327 too many cheeseburgers and likely had a heart attack.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I told you to look them up and even gave you exactly what to look for. However, since your what if arguments already got destroyed and you've got nothing else to lean on, here is a compilation of 3 (of the videos end to end) by 3 of the people who watched the incident.



    First video - 0:00-0:44
    Second video - 0:44-2:49
    Third video - 2:49-10:24.

    You're welcome!
    Well, that compilation, if you disregard the very stupid text commentary, actually shows he was asked to leave the area. We know that prior to the video he was met by an undercover officer. That and the fact the store had called asking to have the illegal sellers to be cleared out pretty much put a pin in it.

    He refused to leave the area wanting to debate and when they tried to cuff him he immediately resisted. He was then taken down.

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