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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    From the list of contributing factors and his weight, yes he wasn't long for this earth.
    Moot point, you don't know that...and it has nothing to do with this.

    He wouldn't be dead 14 minutes after the chokehold....if there wasn't a F'ing chokehold.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So you wanted to kill him with Happy Meal instead of arresting him yet one more time?
    Correct, I wanted to kill him with a happy meal. Thanks for playing.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It is only broken when you don't like the outcome. The reason you don't take everything directly to trial is the cost and time commitment and the chance of prosecutorial overreach.
    No, if there was a fair trial with cross examination, then I'd abide by whatever outcome, because it would be heard in a fair trial.

    So, a man's life isn't worth the cost of a trial?

    How Soviet of you.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Correct, I wanted to kill him with a happy meal. Thanks for playing.
    reductio ad absurdium is wasted on guys like him...
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    What is wrong with adversarial?

    Cross examination....why are you afraid of that?
    Because it's not a process that yields the greatest evidence exposure to the jury. It only yields the evidence then competing attorneys think will help them win their case. Again, the grand jurors can question the witnesses.

    But really, your question betrays that you still haven't bothered to learn and understand the process involved.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you are claiming that regardless of cop intervention, this dude would currently be dead. Not sure I would agree.
    The police groupies need to make up their mind one way or the other, don't they?

    They claim Gardener was this massive unstoppable force that it took a massive pre-emptive attack to bring him down...

    ...while also claiming at the same time that they can tell just by looking at him that he was in terrible health and was going to die any day soon anyway.

    There is nothing, no matter how self contradictory or nonsensical, some people will not post advocating any and all police violence against anyone and everyone. It is because personally they are people who live in terror of others.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We have access to everything the DA did not present to the grand jury. Grand juries in NY do what the DA tells them. You message is nave at best.
    And what is that? Show me what you have that the GJ doesn't.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Moot point, you don't know that...and it has nothing to do with this.

    He wouldn't be dead 14 minutes after the chokehold....if there wasn't a F'ing chokehold.

    The point isn't to discuss the case or the actions of the police. The point is to create many what if scenarios and use them to justify the actions of the police.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, if there was a fair trial with cross examination, then I'd abide by whatever outcome, because it would be heard in a fair trial.

    So, a man's life isn't worth the cost of a trial?

    How Soviet of you.
    No its not if there isn't enough evidence to show that a crime was committed. By your logic we should also put the ER doctors and nurses that treated Eric Garner on trial because their may have been criminal malpractice... forget that there is no evidence of medical malpractice, isn't a man's life worth a trial?!
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And what is that? Show me what you have that the GJ doesn't.
    What was the GJ jury shown by the DA? Anything? Give the list and I'll show you what else I know.

    GJs indict everyone a NY prosecutor tells them to and indict no one the prosecutor doesn't want indicted. That's just the statistical fact.

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