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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This only is the same if you 1.) lay on your chest, 2.) have someone put 150 pounds on your back and 3.) another person put 150 pounds on your head. Then have someone do it.

    Also, you have to be surprised by this. No warning. Arrange for 3 guys to do this with no notice. Tell them "anytime, day or night, the 3 off you jump me, throw me to the ground - ideally a hard surface - with a chock hold for 8 seconds with that much weight on both my back and head while chocking me."



    Let us know how it goes.


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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You want to fight, yell, struggle, resist. You get what you get.

    What's your excuse when the suspect is already handcuffed and not doing any of those?




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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What's your excuse when the suspect is already handcuffed and not doing any of those?




    "already handcuffed" persons can still do damage. But then it goes to a hog tie.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually that way you find out less. Again the witnesses can be questioned by the grand jurors, trial jurors cannot do that. More evidence and witnesses excluded from trial, because at that point it's adversarial.



    Duh! It is different. Btw, just because a citizen chokeholds someone to death doesn't mean there's going to be a trial. Do you understand how any of our system works?




    Mindless insults because you haven't bothered to learn anything about the system you like to comment upon.
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    Cross examination....why are you afraid of that?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    From the list of contributing factors and his weight, yes he wasn't long for this earth.
    So you are claiming that regardless of cop intervention, this dude would currently be dead. Not sure I would agree.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, not even close.
    It's pretty much the exact definition.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Not sure of the purpose of this exercise. Lol


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do cops get to arrest people? What do cops do when those people refuse to be detained ('resist arrest')?
    Reasonable force.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Oh look, another thug cop doing a chokehold on someone...
    Cops sure hate it when someone catches them on video.


    Texas cop allowed to resign one week after video exposes him putting woman in chokehold

    An off-duty Texas law enforcement officer who was caught on video using a chokehold while trying to get information from a witness has been allowed to resign instead of being fired.

    In a video posted to YouTube last week, Nueces County Attorney’s Office investigator Gary Witherspoon can be seen in uniform placing Lanessa Espinosa in a chokehold while Corpus Christi Police Officer Jerry Lockhart attempted to obtain her identification.

    Espinosa explained to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times that Lockhart was demanding to see her ID because she believed that she may have been involved in a fight at a restaurant on Aug. 16.

    Video recorded by Espinosa shows her insisting that she did not have to produce ID, and saying that she was stepping back because she felt threatened by Lockhart. At that point, Lockhart begins to place her in handcuffs, while the video catches Witherspoon putting her in a chokehold.

    In a statement on Wednesday, Nueces County Attorney’s Office said that Witherspoon had decided to resign.

    “The termination is a result of his involvement and actions at an incident that took place on August 16, 2014, as well as other employment issues,” the statement said. “However, during the termination process, Mr. Witherspoon asked for and was allowed to resign in lieu of (termination).”

    In another chokehold case on Wednesday, a Staten Island grand jury had decided not to indict New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo for the July 17 death of Eric Garner, who died as a result of compression of the neck. Pantaleo has been suspended from the police force without pay, but has not been fired.

    The Corpus Christi Police Department defended Lockhart’s detention of Espinosa in a statement on Monday, saying that she had been interfering with the officer’s public duties.

    “The detention was based on the incident (that she had been involved in the fight, which she admitted), and not due to the fact that Ms. Espinosa was videotaping the officers,” the statement asserted.

    For her part, Espinosa said that she was not involved in the fight, and that she was only in the restaurant parking lot because the officer had not allowed her to leave.

    KIII reported that Lockhart had been disciplined after dashcam video showed that he asked Espinosa to delete the chokehold video.

    “I was not doing anything wrong,” she told the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. “And it’s my right to refuse [to provide ID] if I’m not being charged.”

    Espinosa was never charged with a crime. She is now considering a civil rights lawsuit against the city.


    Watch video of the incident below.


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    I know...it is broken. Why not a trial? Why not cross examination? Why not a real actual trial? If the cops are innocent, the trial will find that, won't it?

    If a non policeman grabbed him and choke holded him and killed him, there would be a regular trial...but cops...well, that is different....

    Keep licking those boots.

    It is only broken when you don't like the outcome. The reason you don't take everything directly to trial is the cost and time commitment and the chance of prosecutorial overreach.
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