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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, they aren't. Cops use them as an excuse to justify their actions. Each situation is new, past doesn't predict the future.


    It's not just the cops who recognize patterns of criminality, it's also our courts. In fact a whole lot of evidence is introduced to show a pattern of criminality. You see, commit a particular offence once, the judge may let you off with a warning and a significantly reduced fine. By the 32cd time you're obviously not getting the message and the fines/penalties will be enhanced.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's entirely unknowable and speculative.


    I agree and I'm speculating that no one in New York feels any safer because Mr. Garner is dead.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Inwould have skipped the petty loosy selling and focused on mire serious crime.

    Think about it, if he was smoking a joint, he'd be alive today.
    Not in NYC and especially not if it was the 32cd time he was caught smoking a joint in public.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Just like Ferguson however, the public can make this officer's life a living hell, if they so desire. I doubt it comes to this because I imagine the Federal government will file charges and prosecute this police officer.
    Maybe. The Federal prosecutors will have access to all the evidence and testimony in the Grand Jury hearings. If they find grounds then they will likely convene their own grand jury.

    The family can also sue for damages for wrongful death but they will more likely sue the city since the officer himself likely has no money since he has no job now. The city will likely settle rather than go to court simply because it is the cheaper solution for everyone.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I live in Florida, not NY. I am not going to research NYC penal codes.
    Then stay out of threads that aren't about Florida I suppose. What a ridiculous dodge.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I live in Florida, not NY. I am not going to research NYC penal codes.
    I grew up in nyc and my office is in chelsea, nyc.

    I have an attorney on my payroll.

    You accosted me as if i dont know.

    I do know. I live and work here.




    I research penal code all the time. Its a great way to win debates.



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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    For all those claiming the GJ decision is proof it was legitimate...


    "Having done my civic duty, now I know why, almost 25 years ago, then-Chief Judge Sol Wachtler wanted to abolish most grand juries, telling the Daily News that district attorneys could get a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." He wasn't wrong.

    That's just the half of it. I encountered an assistant DA who read my fellow grand jurors and me instructions - but wouldn't let us read them for ourselves. I encountered a judge who finally gave me the instructions I was entitled to - and then said that I couldn't share them with the other grand jurors.
    It's a Kafkaesque system where if you dare try to understand what you're doing, so that you might better exercise your civic duty, well, then you're just being a troublemaker.

    But to call all this a formality is an insult to formalities. Of about 125,000 adult felony arrests in Manhattan in the last five years, grand juries have only dismissed charges three times. Ham sandwich indeed.


    Also, jurors can only listen to the criminal statutes charged. Requests for written copies of these laws were refused. Why? The assistant DAs aren't expected to memorize these definitions; they all carry books with the texts. Yet it is the jurors who have to decide about indicting people. The court should require the assistant DAs to leave a copy of the definition of each crime when making a charge.

    After a week I again asked Blumberg if I could get the nine pages of grand juror instructions. She said she was told that we could not have them. "

    READ IT ALL AT LINK BELOW>>>

    Wanna bet those only 3 not indicted of 125,000 who were involved police or government people?

    Here's NY grand jury realities...

    Aronson: The strange secrets of N.Y.'s arcane grand jury system - NY Daily News

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not in NYC and especially not if it was the 32cd time he was caught smoking a joint in public.

    Nyc is no longer persuing small amounts of mj.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I agree and I'm speculating that no one in New York feels any safer because Mr. Garner is dead.
    Well, maybe some kid who couldn't buy his cig that day decided to quit like his mom has been bugging him about. The kid grows up to become the best president this nation has ever had rather than die of lung cancer.

    It's one of those unknowable things.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Lets look at this another way you have haymarket, me, hautey, limbaugh and hannity all in agreement this should never have gotten this far.

    To get to this point something has gone terribly wrong.




    Also deblasio orders police to crack down on illegal ciggys, throws police under bus when they do.


    Nyc and ny created the black market that led to sending officers who end up killin someone over loosies.


    Wtf
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