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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You don't understand how Grand Juries are selected, do you?

    We can see and learn more evidence than that Grand Jury because there is no filter for us and there was for the GJ.
    From that comment I know you don't have a clue of the selection process or the actual working process. Grand Jurors can request to see whatever evidence they wish and can question witnesses directly. Neither are things the general public or a trial juror can do.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I don't live in NY. So I don't know the law there.
    Yet your posting as if you do.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, no, you silly man. A drunk person has all the evidence they need that driving while impaired can lead to death.



    Also false. Legally they are within their right to subdue the man if they believe his actions warrant his arrest and he is resisting. That isn't "assault".



    Hah, you guys and your absolutist bulls*** are hilarious. You have failed to make a single argument for any crime that the officers should have been indicted on, much less prove an indictment would be likely. You just have this amazingly childish opinion that they should be indicted on something because the video give you the sads.

    Step away, formulate your thoughts, determine what charge you think should be brought against the officer(s) and argue it. I will stand here and argue why I don't think a crime was committed, and agree with the GJ decision.



    You aren't this stupid in real life, are you? Punching a police officer is a crime, idiot, grabbing for his weapon is a crime, resisting arrest is a crime.

    He resisted arrest which is a crime. What he did that lead to the decision to arrest Garner wound up on the cutting room floor.
    But resisting arrest isn't murder! And you claim the only issue about Gardener was whether or not he was murdered.

    Your messages are nonsensical. So you are claiming NO, BROWN COULD SLUG OFFICER WILSON, BUT BROWN COULD HAVE PUT OFFICER WILSON IN A CHOCK HOLD" since you claim a chock hold is legal, but slugging someone isn't.

    YOU are who claims Gardener was put under arrest as justification for physically assaulting him. The burden of proof is on you.

    The crime against Gardener was aggravated assault by the man who jumped on his back with a chock hold.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You don't understand how Grand Juries are selected, do you?

    We can see and learn more evidence than that Grand Jury because there is no filter for us and there was for the GJ.
    In this GJ there was 23 people. 9 of them were black. They were unanimous on the decision.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, it also has a cause of death for every killing, that has zero relevance to whether they're homicides or not. Thanks for not answering VanceMack.
    There's so much we don't know -- because we just don't understand the process. For instance, does the medical examiner interpret the findings of an autopsy? Or does the person doing the autopsy determine cause of death. Was there any physical evidence on his body that a chokehold had been applied? (He was certainly still breathing...and still TALKING...after the chokehold was released. That's a very important POINT, in my opinion.

    In coroner-speak, does homicide mean a CRIME has been committed, or does it simply mean that death was caused by actions of others? A coroner or medical examiner should certainly not be able to arbitrarily decide a crime was committed. I have a real problem with it being designated a homicide. Why wouldn't it be "accidental death"?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    From that comment I know you don't have a clue of the selection process or the actual working process. Grand Jurors can request to see whatever evidence they wish and can question witnesses directly. Neither are things the general public or a trial juror can do.
    Grand jurors are not selected by the public and the only witnesses they can question are ones the DA puts in front of them.

    But tell us, how do you say grand jurors are selected? They are NOT selected like jurors for jury trials. But tell us how you think they are selected.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, that's what everyone says. Yet their limited legal knowledge seems to parallel everything from some show like NYPD Blue or something.
    You need to show me where i am wrong otherwise this is a sinple deflection.

    I know more about the law than you think.


    In fact you were supposed to cite penal code for me, yet you havent and i have.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Right. Its obvious the cop didnt think his chokehold would kill him. But that doesnt really matter because chokeholds are inherently lethal. Im not allowed to be ignorant of the laws and cops shouldt be allowed to be unchastized simply because they are ignorant.
    No, they aren't "inherently lethal" nor are they illegal. Doesn't have anything to do with ignorance of any law.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Um... that is a what if. Holy ****, it's the very definition of what if. It's you creating a different scenario that only you seem to be able to control.
    No, no it isn't. I am stating that the Police were operating under the assumption that Eric Garner was a healthy 6'3" 360LB man and used the force necessary to take him down. He died because he was not a healthy person and literally on deaths doorstep and the take down was all it took to push him over the edge.

    Do you realize that it wouldn't make it any less excessive use of force? They approached him over some f'n cigarettes. He didn't resist. He told them he didn't want to speak to them and they immediately tried to subdue him. Over some f'n cigarettes.
    They approached him due to a complaint by the business owner. What he did or didn't due to precipitate the altercation is cut out of the video.

    Go look them up. Youtube is your friend. Here, I'll even give you what to search for on YouTube: "Unseen Erick Garner videos".
    Which translates to "Oh s***! I thought there were other videos!". It's not my job to prove your assertions but I did go look for them and came up empty. Obviously you know right where to find them so I will wait for you to provide them.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If you have any evidence of "resisting arrest" why don't you present it?
    He refused to comply. It's on the video.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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