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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Another question:

    If you were literally being choked to death, would you calm down?

    People who are literally being killed have a tendency to fight back, which is apparently justification for killing them. Neat situation.


    He wasn't " choked to death ".

    The autopsy found no damage that would indicate that this " hold " had beeen used to choke him out.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're back to the same old thinking, that cops are federal and part of a federal system. Neither is the case. AND since police are local, their arrest and prosecution, covered locally, doesn't make the national press like the signature cases do. You'd be well served to take your own advice on that last to heart.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

    The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone.
    That's why we have Manslaughter charges. And manslaughter it is.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of people don't intend to kill people and do. It's called manslaughter. We have a crime for that.

    Wrong, the legal definition of " Manslaughter " is the unjustified purposeful killing of someone WITHOUT PREMEDITATION.

    The Cop didn't intend to kill this individual. He DID intend to try and take this individual into custody.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wrong, the legal definition of " Manslaughter " is the unjustified purposeful killing of someone WITHOUT PREMEDITATION.

    The Cop didn't intend to kill this individual. He DID intend to try and take this individual into custody.
    Exactly, without premeditation. They didn't go out saying "I'm going to kill someone", but they did act recklessly in trying to apprehend this dude and killed him in the process.

    Manslaughter.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

    The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone. He tried to arrest a Man that was resisting arrest.

    The autopsy showed no damage to the Mans windpipe.

    The man was obviously overweight and unhealthy.

    How does your average Police Officer determine whether or not a resisting suspect is healthy enough to survive the process of being forcibly detained ?

    A process that is used in the first place because the suspect refuses to comply with the Officers orders ?

    They cant run a full battery of test on someone while they're in the middle of trying to put handcuffs on them.

    So your'e saying the Man should have been let go? Not arrested because he had asthma ?

    Allowed to break free and dictate the terms of his arrest ?
    Why were they arresting him in the first place? Selling "loosey" is not an offense that warrants arrest.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is extremely common for large fat men past 40 to die from either being dogpiled or put in any sort of choke hold.


    I'm a little disappointed there were no charges, given that choke holds are against NYPD policy.
    Exactly!! Does anyone know if this cop at LEAST received a reprimand, or was it, "oh well ***** happens"

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

    The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone. He tried to arrest a Man that was resisting arrest.

    The autopsy showed no damage to the Mans windpipe.

    The man was obviously overweight and unhealthy.

    How does your average Police Officer determine whether or not a resisting suspect is healthy enough to survive the process of being forcibly detained ?

    A process that is used in the first place because the suspect refuses to comply with the Officers orders ?

    They cant run a full battery of test on someone while they're in the middle of trying to put handcuffs on them.

    So your'e saying the Man should have been let go? Not arrested because he had asthma ?

    Allowed to break free and dictate the terms of his arrest ?
    You've convinced me. There are only two options: let the guy go, or perform an illegal chokehold. NYPD must have been drunk when they banned chokeholds, because now they can't ever arrest anyone!
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly, without premeditation. They didn't go out saying "I'm going to kill someone", but they did act recklessly in trying to apprehend this dude and killed him in the process.

    Manslaughter.
    If that were the case then we could call his diet of the last 40 years a "suicide".

    Had the man been in good physical health he wouldn't have died. The officer, not being a doctor, couldn't know that his actions would contribute to the man's death. The "Sleeper Hold" isn't typically fatal.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Cops are government and part of the government system. It's The People vs. The Government; always has been.
    There is no "the government" in this case. There is state, local and federal governments. This is a local government system, the government closest to the people.

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