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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm... he was waving his hands in front of the cop, he was screaming at the police officer, he waved his hands in front of the cop. What's different? The cop's reaction.
    Get back to the topic of the thread which doesn't require making up scenarios or playing "it's like this" games.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The cops did kill him, had they not intervened in the manner they did, he would still be alive. That doesn't mean police cannot intervene, as your hyperbole of "let them be killed or all criminals get to go free" argument you tried to give to hide the actual dynamics behind a false bimodal distribution.

    government force is limited. But no where else in the world do we see death by cops as prevalent as we do in America. It points to a systematic problem of overreaction and excessive force. That needs to be curtailed.

    Cops do not get to be judge and executioner, they must do their best to bring suspects in alive. Sorry if that so offends you.
    Do cops get to arrest people? What do cops do when those people refuse to be detained ('resist arrest')?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What the people whose property he was trespassing on? Screw'em? They just have to deal with it?
    Tresspassing? On a city sidewalk?

    Keep reaching for reasons to be for cops killing unarmed people selling cigarettes.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not all of them. The one who jumped him by surprise from behind with a chock hold. That was an outright violent illegal assault.
    I guess we'll have to wait and see. I expect that more than one will face civil rights charges.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So? It is a stupid thing for 5 cops to gang up on a guy for. Is NYC safer because they killed this master criminal?

    You just keep excusing cops breaking their own rules.

    Who calls the cops on the cops?
    I asked myself that question. If one or more citizens had rushed in to try to rescue that guy - is there any doubt that person would have been all but beaten to death and arrested for every charge they can think of?

    People are now SO afraid of the police we all know we MUST just watch fellow citizens being assaulted and even beaten to death, daring not to come to a fellow human's aid IF police are the assailants.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    VanceMack, I'll make this really simple for you: What does homicide mean in every definition of the word?
    The coroners report has to have a cause of death. What was his cause of death?

    (PLEASE keep saying he died of homicide!)

    Are you and Joko and now Tex working together? Great minds, you know....

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummmm... he provided an answer to a what if question that can't be answered either way. His question is what if he'd been like this? Well, that's what makes it a ridiculous argument. Stop being an apologist.



    Using policies they banned themselves from using years ago? You're joking... right?



    Lol, your weaving and dodging is ridiculous. If they are barred from using that practice, is it legal for them to use it? You're splitting hairs.
    Again, cut it with the games, we're talking about THIS EVENT. And in case you need a reminder, there is a difference between a law and a department policy.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The stupid, stupid claim that the ONLY potential criminal charge was murder is VERY annoying and was a CHEESY tactic of the DA.

    What about "assault?" "Official oppression?" "Abuse?" "Violation of Civil Rights?"

    Oh no, no - only debate and deal in absolutes - either it was or wasn't "manslaughter/murder." Let's not even discuss assault, abuse, oppression, civil rights...

    Nor even think about any employment sanctions, reprimands either. ONLY the question of it was or wasn't murder. EVERY POSSIBLY WAY to eliminate liability for the man's death.
    Heya Joko. Didn't they lay off the Cop who put the chokehold on and assign the other to desk duty? Those reprimands took place before it went to the GJ.

    I could see for excessive force for mashing the guys face into the sidewalk, while on his back.

    Civil Rights Violation.....no way!

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do cops get to arrest people? What do cops do when those people refuse to be detained ('resist arrest')?
    Act normal and balanced to the situation. However, we do understand your view that they are to immediately attack and totally beat the person down.

    Once again, you have no proof whatsoever he was ever told he was under arrest.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You have no way to know what was in the mind of the officer who jumped on him with a chock hold from behind, do you?
    No, but I do know thy first tried to cuff him standing up. Now you're just reaching.

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