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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Whether cig sales should be taxed by the city or not just does not matter in this case. Whether it should be a criminal act to sell cigs without the required tax is also without application here. The man died because he refused to be cuffed and he had compromised his health to the point where he couldn't handle the struggle he caused. From the looks of the event that we have access to I'm sure the officers would have preferred to cuff him standing up. He decided that wasn't going to happen.
    Which is why it's involuntary manslaughter.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

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    That's a GREAT point!

    With all this focus on popular causes the people who really need help aren't getting it.

    At some point there's going to be a reckoning and lots of folks are going to be forced to do a whole lot of rather uncomfortable soul searching.


    No they are not, even here in this left coast bastion of professional socialists. At each shooting either by a man gone berserk or the shooting of one, which happened here last week, I have to ask if that would have happened if the "psycho" had adequate care. It's not like their out there hiding.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The stupid, stupid claim that the ONLY potential criminal charge was murder is VERY annoying and was a CHEESY tactic of the DA.

    What about "assault?" "Official oppression?" "Abuse?" "Violation of Civil Rights?"

    Oh no, no - only debate and deal in absolutes - either it was or wasn't "manslaughter/murder." Let's not even discuss assault, abuse, oppression, civil rights...

    Nor even think about any employment sanctions, reprimands either. ONLY the question of it was or wasn't murder. EVERY POSSIBLY WAY to eliminate liability for the man's death.
    Civil rights violations are currently being investigated by the feds. I would be SHOCKED if the cops involved with this are not brought up on civil rights charges. I expect convictions, also.


    I still can't believe they were not indicted by the grand jury. Very sad set of events to this point.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So if the cops had not showed up, he would have still died, yes?
    From the list of contributing factors and his weight, yes he wasn't long for this earth.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Give him a ticket.

    And, not kill him.

    Seems simple.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'll bet that at the lawsuit the cops story will be that Garner stepped up to the edge and they shouldn't be held responsible because he fell.
    The cops shoved him in and watched him fall.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm - I'm exposing the stupidity in the what if things had been different arguments. What if he'd been white? What if he'd been shorter? What if he'd been skinny? None of these factors make a difference in what is in question here which is the legality of what the police did.
    An answer to which we do not have the evidence to determine. From what we do know it appears that the police were acting legally. For preemptive purposes, the chokehold is not illegal, just against department policy.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which is why it's involuntary manslaughter.
    Nope, not even close.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death



    If anyone is interested in seeing how another cop handled a similar situation. A guy is essentially waving his hands in front of an officer, getting people to surround him, and lecturing a cop on the legality of his actions, while carrying a god damn boa on his neck. What does the cop do? Remain calm, and address the situation with seriousness. If we were to follow the what if arguments of some of the police brutality apologists, he should have been shot to death and his snake should have been used to keep his body from falling from the stretcher.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Civil rights violations are currently being investigated by the feds. I would be SHOCKED if the cops involved with this are not brought up on civil rights charges. I expect convictions, also.


    I still can't believe they were not indicted by the grand jury. Very sad set of events to this point.
    If Sharpton and the other community organizers get involved it a no duh that Holder will jump in too.

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