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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What are Police Officers supposed to do when someone resist arrest ?

    Let them go ?

    Not take them into custody because the guy just doesn't feel like being hamd cuffed today ?

    Should Criminals be allowed to say " F-you Cop, you're not taking me in " because the Police are too scared of doing their jobs ?

    My best friend from High School is a police officer and told me that at least 50 percent of the people he cuffs suddenly develope acute respiratory failure.

    They " can't breath ". So what's he supposed to do ? Believe someone who'll say just about anything to NOT go to jail ?
    How about "not ****ing murder them."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe not kill them, I don't know; that seems kind of reasonable.


    The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

    He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Just watching the video there should have been charges. This appears to not have been done in self defense and after he said "I can't breathe" they continued. I don't know the full story, but given what I see this was excessive force by the police resulting in death even after the suspect told them he couldn't breathe.

    It's completely unacceptable and if this is a legal use of force the laws need to be changed. Police are given FAR too much power when they are legally allowed to kill you in the process of apprehension and not acting in self defense.

    It looks like his intent wasn't to kill nor is this typically lethal, but with his asthma, obesity and other factors it resulted in death and they should have reacted when he said he couldn't breathe.


    It is extremely common for large fat men past 40 to die from either being dogpiled or put in any sort of choke hold.


    I'm a little disappointed there were no charges, given that choke holds are against NYPD policy.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

    He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.
    Chokeholds stop people from breathing. People need to breathe to live. Are you saying the cop was too dumb to figure this out? He was too dumb to know the chokehold was illegal"?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Is there a point here besides further highlighting your kneejerk hatred of all things police? Of course charges against police require evidence, you have a problem with that now? And a cop convicted of a crime does indeed face far more severe penalties. Being a cop in jail.
    The point is, as indicated by the aggregate statistics, we have some issues with the functionality of the police and trying to restrict them to their proper rolls. People want to say that the cops are punished, but they aren't. Barring high profile cases, most things are swept under the rug until the public gets wind of it and gets pissed off.

    Government needs to be restricted to its proper roles and the freedom and liberties of the individual protected. That is how you maintain a Republic. If you read the posts I was responding to, you may have gotten a bit of context as to why these arguments were presented. But that would require a bit of intellectual integrity and honesty on your part.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

    He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.
    Lots of people don't intend to kill people and do. It's called manslaughter. We have a crime for that.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Another question:

    If you were literally being choked to death, would you calm down?

    People who are literally being killed have a tendency to fight back, which is apparently justification for killing them. Neat situation.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The point is, as indicated by the aggregate statistics, we have some issues with the functionality of the police and trying to restrict them to their proper rolls. People want to say that the cops are punished, but they aren't. Barring high profile cases, most things are swept under the rug until the public gets wind of it and gets pissed off.

    Government needs to be restricted to its proper roles and the freedom and liberties of the individual protected. That is how you maintain a Republic. If you read the posts I was responding to, you may have gotten a bit of context as to why these arguments were presented. But that would require a bit of intellectual integrity and honesty on your part.
    You're back to the same old thinking, that cops are federal and part of a federal system. Neither is the case. AND since police are local, their arrest and prosecution, covered locally, doesn't make the national press like the signature cases do. You'd be well served to take your own advice on that last to heart.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about "not ****ing murder them."

    Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

    The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone. He tried to arrest a Man that was resisting arrest.

    The autopsy showed no damage to the Mans windpipe.

    The man was obviously overweight and unhealthy.

    How does your average Police Officer determine whether or not a resisting suspect is healthy enough to survive the process of being forcibly detained ?

    A process that is used in the first place because the suspect refuses to comply with the Officers orders ?

    They cant run a full battery of test on someone while they're in the middle of trying to put handcuffs on them.

    So your'e saying the Man should have been let go? Not arrested because he had asthma ?

    Allowed to break free and dictate the terms of his arrest ?

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    While I will hold off on any judgement as far as if police should be charged here until more info is out but one thing I see a lot of in this thread that is wrong at least as it was told to me. A number of posters keep saying the police used a choke hold to subdue this man. A choke hold is a very specific thing that is spelled out by New York city and the police are told exactly what they can do and what they cant. By the definition that NYC uses for a choke hold that is not what the police in this instance did. They applied a headlock which is a different hold. It is my guess that because it is shown that the police used a headlock and not a choke hold that is why they were not charged.
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