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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
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    It's amazing to watch you go from saying: Obama said this....... to... I've interpreted what Obama said to mean this.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Oh bulls***. First off, Gardener didn't die of shock.
    According to the autopsy, Garner died of compression to the neck, compressions to his chest, and being held prone by the officers caused his death.

    That's why the coroner's office ruled it a homicide, and it went before a grand jury.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Whether you approve or not, there is no evidence they violated any of his rights
    You're being purposely obtuse and dodgy. This is actually very unlike you rogue. Answer a question: Does a person have a right to resist if they believe they're being assaulted by cops? Yes or no answer.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but apparently being an obese criminal on the edge of a heart attack while continuing to commit crimes is.

    The officer broke no law but did break department policy. The internal police hearing for that was held until the GJ gave it's decision. I'm betting he loses his job now that the press and the ugly racists/community organizers are involved.
    If he broke departmental policy and someone died as a result, why SHOULDN'T he lose his job? Bonus points if you can explain it without whining about "community organizers."
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    According to the autopsy, Garner died of compression to the neck, compressions to his chest, and being held prone by the officers caused his death.

    That's why the coroner's office ruled it a homicide, and it went before a grand jury.
    He also noted several other contributing factors. But he did not die of those things you listed, he died of a heart attack.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No, the police aren't targeting them. Big government New York is, if anyone.

    Local store owners complained about Gardner, and the police responded. That's not targeting. That's serving the local businesses who Gardner was affecting by selling cigarettes illegally in competition with them.
    If NY politicians aka government hadn't put such a heavy tax on cigarette packs in the first place... then perhaps there wouldn't be a demand or a market for "lucie's" in the second place....and people like Gardner wouldn't be criminals for selling a single cigarettes in the third place...and then dying for it in the fourth place.

    It all seems to point back to some stupid law passed by politicians that makes criminals out of innocent people and dependent on the penal/ welfare system for the rest of their lives. That's if it doesn't kill them first.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Well, they could hold a hug-your-neighbour day throughout NYC.

    I am not holding my breath for that one though.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but apparently being an obese criminal on the edge of a heart attack while continuing to commit crimes is.
    If you're saying that Garner deserved to die... then that's messed up, man.


    The officer broke no law but did break department policy.
    I don't think it's clear that Pantaleo "broke no law." The prosecutor failed to get him indicted. Considering that an extremely small number of grand juries decline to indict, that is, at a minimum, a very strange outcome.


    The internal police hearing for that was held until the GJ gave it's decision. I'm betting he loses his job now that the press and the ugly racists/community organizers are involved.
    Yes, I'm sure that his losing his job would have nothing to do with him using a banned choke hold, which led to the death of an unarmed and non-violent citizen.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    His actions and words showed that he believed he was being placed under arrest, by the police, even if he didn't believe he should have been. There is no question there, no ambiguity or question about what is happening, especially during the actual resistance.

    Heya Roguenuke. I wonder why this cop is saying something about a lawful order?


    Pat Lynch of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association went on to say, "We believe, however, that if he had not resisted the lawful order of the police officers placing him under arrest, this tragedy would not have occurred.".....snip~

    Medical Examiner Rules Eric Garner's Death a Homicide, Says He Was Killed By Chokehold | NBC New York

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If NY politicians aka government hadn't put such a heavy tax on cigarette packs in the first place... then perhaps there wouldn't be a demand or a market for "lucie's" in the second place....and people like Gardner wouldn't be criminals for selling a single cigarettes in the third place...and then dying for it in the fourth place.

    It all seems to point back to some stupid law passed by politicians that makes criminals out of innocent people and dependent on the penal/ welfare system for the rest of their lives.
    Then of course when a criminal tries to move on with their life. Don't repeat your criminal behavior, but no, I won't let you move on with your life. Just somehow survive and not be a criminal, you animal. Gee, I wonder why he kept selling untaxed cigarettes. Hmmm...

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