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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So say for example, an off duty cop who hasn't identified himself decides to place somebody under arrest without informing them of the fact. That person decides that they're being attacked, pulls out a gun and shoot the cop, is the person guilty of murder or self defense?

    What you're essentially arguing is that person X in cop uniform could come and put handcuffs on you, and you'd allow it... because they don't have to inform you as to what is happening or the reason why you're being placed in handcuffs....

    That's kinda.... I dunno... devoid of connection with the real world.
    Depends on circumstances. In the case you described, likely wouldn't go over, and cop gets into trouble. This case though is very different. The guy knew he was being placed under arrest and that these guys were cops.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what I asked you. I asked you to show us where he said cops were there to harass black people.



    Ummmm... he said black men didn't trust the police. That is a fact. However, it doesn't show he said cops are there to harass black people.



    Ummm... yes, that's a fact.

    It seems you can't show us where he said cops are there to harass black men. Instead, he described why it is minorities don't trust law enforcement and is due to the fact that there are demonstrable disparities in the treatment of racial groups when it comes to law enforcement and treatment by the law. That's not the same as saying cops are there to harass black people. That's your claim about what he said and so far you haven't substantiated it yet.
    Do you understand what paraphrase means? Obama's own words on numerous occasion implied what I stated.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Please show in what actions lead to the arrest. Or are you simply talking out of your ass.
    Have the threads been merged yet? What you're asking for is in the original thread on this topic. The video is only a small slice of what happened and doesn't show what got him arrested. He's been done 31 times previously for selling illegal merchandise (cigs). An undercover cop approached him for number 32 and he recognized him as a cop. He decided he had had enough of getting arrested and told them he was going to resist. The cops moved in and then the video begins.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Next time don't quote the New York Times for information about the legality or illegality of detention by a police officer:

    Here's the New York State statute:



    Article 140 Criminal Procedure Law - Arrest Without Warrant
    So cops can touch you whenever they want and if you "resist" then that gives them precedence to arrest with force? According to the wording of that law a cop can come up to you and rub your face sensually. And if you physically flinch or move back he suddenly gets a free pass from the whole "arresting thing" and he can now assault you legally?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    What will be the reaction in NYC tonight as another grand jury chooses not to hand down an indictment for a white police officer who killed a black man who resisted arrest?
    There is somthing wrong in the legal system if the officer got away with it.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Do you understand what paraphrase means? Obama's own words on numerous occasion implied what I stated.
    No, no they did not. You have given us nothing that supports your "paraphrasing."
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Are you going to post anything even remotely germane to this specific incident?
    Do you answer people that post up to you.....is that to big of a ****in clue for ya?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you answer people that post up to you.....is that to big of a ****in clue for ya?
    English, please.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Do you understand what paraphrase means? Obama's own words on numerous occasion implied what I stated.
    ... Yes, I understand what it means. However, by stating the facts that A) blacks are distrustful of police and B) this is due to factual discrepancies in sentencing (which go by race) is not paraphrasing: cops are there to harass black people. I'll give you one more shot to be honest what he said and post something even remotely consistent with what you claimed he alluded to.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So cops can touch you whenever they want and if you "resist" then that gives them precedence to arrest with force? According to the wording of that law a cop can come up to you and rub your face sensually. And if you physically flinch or move back he suddenly gets a free pass from the whole "arresting thing" and he can now assault you legally?
    No. He would also have to justify his actions. Explain how you justify caressing a person and what that would have to do with an arrest. The cop would be in trouble, and rightfully subject to charges. It is all about the circumstances.
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