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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That statement is irrelevant. One is acceptable police procedure. One is not.
    Which is why the guy should lose his job. And it is relevant, since it would have made it no less protested if it had been a taser that triggered the heart attack or asthma attack. The question is only mainly whether that was had that not been used, but rather a similar level of force, would the guy likely still have faced the same outcome? In all likelihood, yes. The thing that could have made the difference here is likely the response after he is in distress, or lack of.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You are having a serious problem with your positive and negative tags. It's hard to gather what you are saying.

    But no, a 13 second choke hold can't be considered lethal. As I said before, the only way a 13 second choke can be considered lethal is if it crushed the windpipe in the process making it impossible to breathe even when the neck isn't compressed. The coroner report showed no signs of damage to the windpipe or vertebrae of the neck so the choke hold was about as "lethal" as holding your breath for 13 seconds.
    Yes it can. If you perform 100% bloodflow restriction an average man could die in 2 seconds of choking if he goes into shock. Now add in the fact that this guy had much more mass and his circulatory system is naturally more taxed. Plus the stress from being ambushed in a unlawful arrest... That officer was really crankin on his neck hard too and digging into it. The officer wanted to dominate him and it cost the man his life.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    As I've stated before. This is the terrible solution advocated by all of the police brutality advocates:

    - If you don't like the way police treat you, let yourself be harassed, then fight long battles in court, spend thousands of dollars you may not have on attorneys, and hope courts see things your way. If you win? You may just win enough to break even. If you don't win, then you're stuck with all the bills you incurred.

    Please, never again tell us about how you're all for small government and constitutional rights? It's not only laughably false, it's just plain dishonest at this point. You're an apologist for police brutality.
    "Police brutality advocates"? Really?

    This is just mind boggling.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Next time don't quote the New York Times for information about the legality or illegality of detention by a police officer:

    Here's the New York State statute:

    Article 140 Criminal Procedure Law - Arrest Without Warrant
    Note:

    "Unless he encounters physical resistance, flight, or other factors rendering such procedure impractical". Can easily be said they got this before they were trying to actually arrest the guy.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Okay, what's going on here? We've had a complaint about such-and-such called in to 911." Guy answers. Cops tell him to keep moving and leave the guy alone. Or they place him under arrest. To place him under arrest, first they tell him he's under arrest. (Not done.) Then they tell him to put his hands behind his back and turn around. (Not done.) If he doesn't? They use one of their fancy tasers to bring him down. This was a ****-up from Jump Street.

    Here are a couple legal issues that the ordeal begins with.



    Confrontation
    Police officers confront Mr. Garner on a sidewalk on Staten Island, where he had previously been arrested for selling loose cigarettes. Officers do not immediately use force, and Mr. Garner begins arguing.

    Legal issues: His demeanor in these moments could have been a factor in determining if he was resisting arrest, thus justifying the use of force.




    ‘It Stops Today’
    Mr. Garner proclaims his innocence and accuses the officers of harassing him. “It stops today,” he tells the officers, a statement that has become a Twitter hashtag and rallying cry.

    Legal issues : The grand jury might have considered whether what Mr. Garner did here was evidence of resistance, which would have a bearing on whether the police acted reasonably, a key issue in whether his death was a crime.....snip~

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Oh, but I am sure that you raised phony outrage about Michelle Obama and school lunches...and taxes on soda.

    Because you really care about people's health don't you?
    You are absolutely ridiculous. Saying someone's health issues are caused by bad diet choices IS NOT an endorsement of Government Nanny State eating regulations. Mr. Gradener should be allowed to eat all the unhealthy crap he wants, but he also lived, and died with the consequences.

    How would you feel if an inmate in a jail, awaiting trial who was diabetic and wasn't given insulin died because of that?

    Deborah Braillard Lawsuit: Family Of Deceased Inmate Wins $3.25 Million From Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Department
    I think the court ruled correctly. Are you now going to try and equate the denial of insulin for several days with a 13 second choke hold? Please do, I haven't laughed enough today.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Didn't the breaking up of a fight narrative come from his friend that filmed the video as part of his commentary on the video? There is no video showing a fight. Are you absolutely sure that it even happened? Like how accurate was "hands up" "don't shoot"? According to what I read, Garner had just got busted by an undercover cop, who may have had video/audio of Garner showing his guilt to warrant an arrest and called for uniform police officers to make the arrest for the same thing he was out on bail for awaiting trial, along with other multiple charges. After all he was a very big man. If that were the case, the Grand Jury would have been informed of it.

    Look I am not going to condone the chokehold. The officer was wrong in not following NYPD protocol. But did it measure up to what he was being accused? The Grand Jury after weighing all the evidence said no.
    Uh, "what you read" isn't even close to accurate.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    It was uncalled for and negligent, and the officer should be charged accordingly.

    Cops shouldn't have a different set of laws....that is not the kind of country we want to have....
    How would you have handled it? Be specific.

    What different laws?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This is a really, really dumb statement.
    Dumb how. If you act a certain way. That is how people, including officers, will see you.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But they're right.....the police are targeting the poor because they're the ones that can't afford to pay the luxury tax on cigarettes in NY...or the jay walking tax in Ferguson and end up becoming felons and dependent on the system.
    No, the police aren't targeting them. Big government New York is, if anyone.

    Local store owners complained about Gardner, and the police responded. That's not targeting. That's serving the local businesses who Gardner was affecting by selling cigarettes illegally in competition with them.

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