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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Can they? No. But that does not deserve to be killed.


    Did they die like this while a cop was using a banned chokehold on them?

    Did you see anything that shows the cop was purposely and with deliberate intent, trying to kill Garner?

    No like I said most that resist don't die.....but many don't like their hands behind their backs.....and they will tell the cops they are having trouble breathing. That's without a cop even holding them or touching them. Just sitting there on a sidewalk or in the back of the squad.

    Hard to believe.....huh?

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I agree that the Gardner case makes no sense and needs to be explained better to us all.

    But there's no need because Pelosi, Sharpton, etc, along with the media, have already told us it's all about racist police departments and court rooms.
    But they're right.....the police are targeting the poor because they're the ones that can't afford to pay the luxury tax on cigarettes in NY...or the jay walking tax in Ferguson and end up becoming felons and dependent on the system.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    According to you. What force should have exactly been used to detain him. Be specific, and not negative (example: shouldn't have did this is negative). Asking what should have been used, not what should not have been used. And how likely is it to have worked in this specific instance?
    None. There was no reason to detain the man in the first place.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Okay, what's going on here? We've had a complaint about such-and-such called in to 911." Guy answers. Cops tell him to keep moving and leave the guy alone. Or they place him under arrest. To place him under arrest, first they tell him he's under arrest. (Not done.) Then they tell him to put his hands behind his back and turn around. (Not done.) If he doesn't? They use one of their fancy tasers to bring him down. This was a ****-up from Jump Street.
    And as others have said, a taser was just as likely to kill this guy, especially if he was asthmatic.

    Plus we don't know what was said before the video.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show the exact law and requirement. What has to be said, specifically. I could be wrong, but I've been seeing plenty of support for what I said, specifically in a situation like this. Does a law say it has to be before the cuffs come out? What are the exact requirements?
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    An arrest can be complete when a police officer simply tells a crime suspect that he or she is "under arrest", and the suspect submits without the officer's use of any physical force. The key to an arrest is the exercise of police authority over a person, and that person's voluntary or involuntary submission.

    - See more at: Arrest - FindLaw
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    None. There was no reason to detain the man in the first place.
    You don't know that. You are assuming. Maybe there was and maybe there wasn't. But it is not able to be determined from that video.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you see anything that shows the cop was purposely and with deliberate intent, trying to kill Garner?

    No like I said most that resist don't die.....but many don't like their hands behind their backs.....and they will tell the cops they are having trouble breathing. That's without a cop even holding them or touching them. Just sitting there on a sidewalk or in the back of the squad.

    Hard to believe.....huh?
    Which is irrelevant. I don't see anyone accusing the cops of deliberately killing the guy. But the excessive force directly led to his death.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So... if they have not obligation to tell you that you're under arrest.... how is a person still guilty of resisting something they didn't know they were under? If police are not under obligation to tell a person they're under arrest, isn't a resistance to arrest just self defense? Genuine question.
    Their actions (such as attempting to cuff you, when it is reasonable to believe they are real cops, which isn't hard to deduce here) are generally enough when it is a situation not involving a warrant, like this one.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And as others have said, a taser was just as likely to kill this guy, especially if he was asthmatic.

    Plus we don't know what was said before the video.
    That statement is irrelevant. One is acceptable police procedure. One is not.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Did you know that some cops abuse their power?
    Yeah I sure do. Did you know some people make more out of what really happened than what did?

    Did you know the majority of cops don't abuse their power?

    Do the majority of cops try to kill people breaking laws?

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