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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not required. If you have any doubt, it is your responsibility to ask. If they lie to you about it or say something that doesn't match their actions, then they can be held responsible, but they have no obligation to say "you are under arrest". Not from what I've learned or found out. They made it clear with their actions.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So are you saying at first; one can resist, attempt to move the officer back from them.....then put his hands up and say cmon now theres no need to do this?
    Can they? No. But that does not deserve to be killed.

    Did you know that some people tell the cops they cannot breathe when cuffs are being put on them? Even after cuffs are put on them?
    Did they die like this while a cop was using a banned chokehold on them?


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The level of his supposed resistance does not equal the level of force used to detain him.
    Don't be a criminal and you wont have those type issues. Remember, your reputation precedes you.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Don't be a criminal and you wont have those type issues. Remember, your reputation precedes you.
    This is a really, really dumb statement.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The level of his supposed resistance does not equal the level of force used to detain him.
    According to you. What force should have exactly been used to detain him. Be specific, and not negative (example: shouldn't have did this is negative). Asking what should have been used, not what should not have been used. And how likely is it to have worked in this specific instance?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not required. If you have any doubt, it is your responsibility to ask. If they lie to you about it or say something that doesn't match their actions, then they can be held responsible, but they have no obligation to say "you are under arrest". Not from what I've learned or found out. They made it clear with their actions.
    I don't think you're right. You cannot be guilty of resisting arrest if you don't know you're under arrest.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Man, the level of hyperbole with this stuff is unreal. I don't know what's got into the water in this country but the angry/crazy/stupid level is just off the charts.

    It is Luther.....ever hear of Mike Tremoglie? Former Philly Cop.....writes books. He has stats on White cops shooting black people. Black Cops shooting white people. Latino cops shooting black people. Deaths, shootings, Two Man patrol interaction with the public, single man interaction with the public. Etc etc.

    He was on the Bill Bennett show the other day talking about the problem of Holder taking this into a Civil Rights issue.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not required. If you have any doubt, it is your responsibility to ask. If they lie to you about it or say something that doesn't match their actions, then they can be held responsible, but they have no obligation to say "you are under arrest". Not from what I've learned or found out. They made it clear with their actions.
    So... if they have not obligation to tell you that you're under arrest.... how is a person still guilty of resisting something they didn't know they were under? If police are not under obligation to tell a person they're under arrest, isn't a resistance to arrest just self defense? Genuine question.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    According to you. What force should have exactly been used to detain him. Be specific, and not negative (example: shouldn't have did this is negative). Asking what should have been used, not what should not have been used. And how likely is it to have worked in this specific instance?
    "Okay, what's going on here? We've had a complaint about such-and-such called in to 911." Guy answers. Cops tell him to keep moving and leave the guy alone. Or they place him under arrest. To place him under arrest, first they tell him he's under arrest. (Not done.) Then they tell him to put his hands behind his back and turn around. (Not done.) If he doesn't? They use one of their fancy tasers to bring him down. This was a ****-up from Jump Street.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    BULL. They are required to inform you.
    Show the exact law and requirement. What has to be said, specifically. I could be wrong, but I've been seeing plenty of support for what I said, specifically in a situation like this. Does a law say it has to be before the cuffs come out? What are the exact requirements?
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