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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    He was suspected of selling loosies. The cops believed that they witnessed a criminal act committed by an individual known to have a history of such acts. Their intent and their responsibility was to investigate. The suspect intentionally, willfully and actively resisted and impeded that investigation. That resistance warranted physical restraint by the officers. Their efforts to restrain the suspect were consistent with basic use of force doctrine and were not overly aggressive but, unfortunately, lead to the death of the suspect.
    There is nothing to back up their case they saw anything. For all we know they made it up.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How did you come up with this theory.....by this one case?

    Do you know how many were arrested in NY for resisting arrest and disorderly conduct last night. 70 some people.....why are there no deaths? What happened? They resisted.....why didn't they die? Shouldn't they be dead.....they resisted Right?

    According to you all who resist should die......correct?
    What the **** are you talking about?
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How did you come up with this theory.....by this one case?

    Do you know how many were arrested in NY for resisting arrest and disorderly conduct last night. 70 some people.....why are there no deaths? What happened? They resisted.....why didn't they die? Shouldn't they be dead.....they resisted Right?

    According to you all who resist should die......correct?
    Man, the level of hyperbole with this stuff is unreal. I don't know what's got into the water in this country but the angry/crazy/stupid level is just off the charts.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How did you come up with this theory.....by this one case?

    Do you know how many were arrested in NY for resisting arrest and disorderly conduct last night. 70 some people.....why are there no deaths? What happened? They resisted.....why didn't they die? Shouldn't they be dead.....they resisted Right?

    According to you all who resist should die......correct?
    Someone who "resists", then is shown putting his hands up, someone in this case, should not be dead. He did resist in the beginning, then he is shown putting his hands in the air, the police did not have to kill this man (by using a banned police chokehold), they didnt have to kill him period.


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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Man, the level of hyperbole with this stuff is unreal. I don't know what's got into the water in this country but the angry/crazy/stupid level is just off the charts.
    People don't take kindly to being assaulted by a gang of dudes. Get used to it.

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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Do a YouTube search. He stirs the racist pot quite often.
    That's not what I asked you. I asked you to show us where he said cops were there to harass black people.

    Here a couple of his latest comments speaking to the NAACP.

    “In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement,” adding “Guilty of walking while black or driving while black; judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness.”
    Ummmm... he said black men didn't trust the police. That is a fact. However, it doesn't show he said cops are there to harass black people.

    “We know that statistically, in everything from enforcing drug policy to applying the death penalty to pulling people over there are significant racial disparities, that’s just the statistics.”
    Ummm... yes, that's a fact.

    It seems you can't show us where he said cops are there to harass black men. Instead, he described why it is minorities don't trust law enforcement and is due to the fact that there are demonstrable disparities in the treatment of racial groups when it comes to law enforcement and treatment by the law. That's not the same as saying cops are there to harass black people. That's your claim about what he said and so far you haven't substantiated it yet.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    I'm surprised it took this long for someone to find away to make this about Obama.
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is nothing to back up their case they saw anything. For all we know they made it up.
    So let's assume that they did? Even when the suspect has an extensive history of EXACTLY what he was accused of doing?

    Look, that kind of disagreement is why there needed to be an investigation and if Garner had allowed that investigation to happen he likely wouldn't have been restrained. It's just that simple. If he REALLY thought that the cops were harassing him all he had to do was let things go, get names of the cops and find a lawyer to help him sue for harassment.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Don't worry, there's no shortage of people on an ego trip that need a job.


    "These cases" might not seem about race but people of color and the poor do seem to be taking the brunt of these low crime laws passed by politicians.

    When politicians raise taxes on free market items such as cigarettes so that poor people can't afford a pack it opens an underground market for selling single cigarettes. It's just supply and demand. Unfortunately, more often than not the police response to low level crimes is becoming more akin to military response than it is just giving someone a ticket or a fine.

    The question is...why does anyone need to be forcefully taken down to the ground for selling a cigarette in the first place? Would this low level crime have even happened if NY hadn't put a $5 tax on a pack of cigarettes that ultimately ended up taking Eric Gardner's life?


    These cases aren't about race.....they're about the low level crime "nanny state" tax laws... that politicians are passing that usually effect and hurt poor people the most.
    I agree that the Gardner case makes no sense and needs to be explained better to us all.

    But there's no need because Pelosi, Sharpton, etc, along with the media, have already told us it's all about racist police departments and court rooms.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    There appears to be a good informal rule-of-thumb to be adopted here.
    It's quite simple too.
    If an incident such as this occurs and you have to know the race of the protagonists before you decide if you should care, then you can use some self-reflection because your motives aren't pure.

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