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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The arrest is consistent with the "Broken Windows" theory of law enforcement. The basic idea is that if you take care of the small things then the big things will be less likely to happen.
    Yea but you don't kill the squeegee men near the Lincoln Tunnel. You use some common sense. I have a friend who a NYC cop for 20 years. He was assigned to remove the homeless as part of stopping the small things. So he offered the guy a happy meal if he came with him to the station. He got OT and easy duty while the homeless guy got a meal and a place to sleep. A win, win. I'm sure there was a better way to handle the situation.
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    Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

    Reviewing the video I don't think he should have been arrested. Don't like #99 pushing his head into concrete. I'd want to read the coroner's report before deciding this.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Since when do we hold cops accountable for their crimes?
    Cops are regularly taken to task for their crimes. Just google "police officer arrested" and help yourself to tons of stories.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Yea but you don't kill the squeegee men near the Lincoln Tunnel. You use some common sense. I have a friend who a NYC cop for 20 years. He was assigned to remove the homeless as part of stopping the small things. So he offered the guy a happy meal if he came with him to the station. He got OT and easy duty while the homeless guy got a meal and a place to sleep. A win, win. I'm sure there was a better way to handle the situation.
    Sure. Cooperation is certainly the best way to get things done but that requires both parties to cooperate. When one party resists then you have to go to plan B.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    One should not be illegally searched and wrestled to the ground due to former convictions on tax evasion.
    Well perhaps not, but not the case here. He wasn't ever charged that we know of for tax evasion. He was selling illegal merchandise. Big difference.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate what you're saying, but it still bothers me. This isn't a man that was physically hurting or threatening anyone, from what I can tell - he was basically committing a crime against the tax collectors. This isn't a man who was abusing or threatening the life of a police officer - the only time the officers would be threatened or subjected to bodily harm is when they enforced an arrest. As I mentioned earlier, why isn't this just the issuance of a summons and not an arrest? That's a big issue for me.
    then let's get back to the scenario addressed before
    this fellow has a history of 31 incidents of the same scofflaw crime
    at what point would the police have legitimate basis to place him under arrest
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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion that the cops had that eric garner had committed a crime?
    Once again, whether there was basis for an arrest and whether the officer committed manslaughter/murder are entirely different issues. I saw no basis for any arrest - nor do I like how the arrest started (grabbing at him) and many other aspects of the arrest. That does not make the officer a murderer. That is a separate question.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I see he was breaking up a fight, no where does it say they found cigarettes or was selling them,
    Where in that link does it say he was breaking up a fight? He was approached by undercover officers because he was known to sell illegal merchandise. He recognized them as cops and decided to "fight back".

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion that the cops had that eric garner had committed a crime?
    Yes, he had been arrested 31 times preciously for selling illegal cigs. He was first approached by an undercover officer looking to make it 32 when Garner decided he'd had enough of the police.

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    Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Characterizing him that way is a lie. There is no dispute he smashed the officer in the face. Are you claiming he "gently" slugged the officer in the face? That he was "gentle" in the store?
    Of course not, however, that was/is still the way he is characterized by the pro riot crowd and press.

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