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Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

Grant said:
Liberals will never get it. Gruber was being too kind.

They felt the same way when anyone spoke up against Communism during the Cold War when Ronald Reagan 'extreme far right' and the enemy of civilization. Now they're at again by supporting Islamism or, in one instance, the poster didn't even know who was killing, or threatening to kill, those living in the democracies. It's just too pathetic.
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Nobody here is "supporting Islamism." That's yet another blatant lie from you, Grant.
 
Kobie said:
Nobody here is "supporting Islamism." That's yet another blatant lie from you, Grant.
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By not speaking out against it you are tacitly supporting it. After all these years you still can't chose whose side you are on?
 
Grant said:
By not speaking out against it you are tacitly supporting it. After all these years you still can't chose whose side you are on?
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What a load of crap.
 
mbig said:
Still DISHONESTLY 'answering' the "all Muslims are terrorists" STRAWMAN. (not mentioned in the post you're replying to)
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It's not a strawman at all. There are people in this thread who have called mosques potential "ISIS recruiting stations," and Grant idiotically stated that the people who want to open up a mosque in Kennesaw are the "same group" that slaughtered innocent children in Peshawar.

And of course there ARE indeed Plenty more Muslim Terrorist sympathizers for Suicide Bombings, ISIS, etc.
Another Goofy Lie.

Unable to answer the measured and Numerical posts I put up. Now TWICE.
Whiffer James!
Muslims are INORDINATELY Violent and Intolerant and in significant Minority to Great Majority support Hideous Sharia punishments for ie, Adultery, Apostasy, 'Insulting Islam'.
(and btw, are inordinately, NOT "all", terrorists and terrorist sympathizers too)

Despicable BS posting, as was MadLib's similar Trolling post to the measured ones of Grant's and mine on the last page.
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Let me try:

Your own statistics kind of prove that the issue is more nuanced than "muzlums terrists." You were very eager to discount Bosnia and Kosovo, even though they are actual Muslim societies within Europe, and are considerably more developed than Africa, the Middle East, or Central Asia. You completely ignored Turkey, which has the 8th largest Muslim population in the world yet only a tiny minority of people who support Sharia, and a minority within that minority who support death for adultery and apostasy. Blaming extremism on the fact that they're Muslims only takes you so far - it would be better to analyze such fundamentalism within the context of poverty, education, and development.

Also, we're talking about Muslims in America. Do you have any statistics on how many of them support Sharia?
 
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Grant said:
You've spoken out against Islamism, have you? It seems your attention was directed more at 'right wingers'.
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I am under zero obligation to prove anything to you.
 
j-mac said:
Now that is a prime example of how you misrepresent others...
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Well, the thread's about the mosque in Kennesaw, and the last several pages have been you and Grant prattling on about our enemy. I somehow made the mistake of thinking we were actually still on topic.
 
Grant said:
Now they're at again by supporting Islamism or, in one instance, the poster didn't even know who was killing, or threatening to kill, those living in the democracies. It's just too pathetic.
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Did it occur to you that I knew who he was talking about and was trying to make a point?
 
Kobie said:
Well, the thread's about the mosque in Kennesaw, and the last several pages have been you and Grant prattling on about our enemy. I somehow made the mistake of thinking we were actually still on topic.
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I understand your mistake, you make them often...See, Grant and I were discussing questions asked by Declan among others, and that took the conversation where it went...See that is how conversations often go...Now, that I cleared that up for you, just stop misrepresenting me in the future, and we will be just fine....Thanks.
 
j-mac said:
Wow, could you really be that humorless? *Sigh* Radical Islamists
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There we go! Unfortunately, that's neither who I was talking about nor the subject of this thread. I'm as hostile to Islamism as anyone, and I'm critical of Islam (yes, it does have some flaws that other religions do not), yet I have nothing against Muslims in general.
 
Seems to be a fundamental departure from the Constitution. Government should have nothing to say about the establishment of a building of worship.
 
MadLib said:
There we go! Unfortunately, that's neither who I was talking about nor the subject of this thread. I'm as hostile to Islamism as anyone, and I'm critical of Islam (yes, it does have some flaws that other religions do not), yet I have nothing against Muslims in general.
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Nor do I, however, since the counsel in Kenesaw was rejecting the request at the time based on at least in part concern of radicalism taking root in their community, as it has in others in America, then yes it was a part of the subject of this thread. However, there is another thread where the counsel has approved the request, why it needed a separate thread is beyond me, but none the less...The matter is settled.
 
Eric7216 said:
Seems to be a fundamental departure from the Constitution. Government should have nothing to say about the establishment of a building of worship.
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Why would it be any different than any other building permit? If the project is big enough, the counsel has to approve it...Worship, or not.
 
MadLib said:
It's not a strawman at all. There are people in this thread who have called mosques potential "ISIS recruiting stations," and Grant idiotically stated that the people who want to open up a mosque in Kennesaw are the "same group" that slaughtered innocent children in Peshawar.
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the post he was responding to did not even include the word 'terrorist', much less make the claim ALL Muslims were.
Period.


Madlib said:
Let me try:

Your own statistics kind of prove that the issue is more nuanced than "muzlums terrists."
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The Irony of debate-beginner claims.
Yes, of course, Not a month goes by that I don't have to tell Obtuse debaters that They are using the most common strawman of this century "ALL Muslims are terrorists".
Well Under 1% of Muslims are terrorists, with perhaps 10-20% willing to sympathize with those acts depending on Circumstance (sometimes Much more).
ie, Osama was perhaps the most popular Man in the Islamic world in the few Years after 9/11.
But of course, I have stats on that too.


Madlib said:
You were very eager to discount Bosnia and Kosovo, even though they are actual Muslim societies within Europe, and are considerably more developed than Africa, the Middle East, or Central Asia. You completely ignored Turkey, which has the 8th largest Muslim population in the world yet only a tiny minority of people who support Sharia, and a minority within that minority who support death for adultery and apostasy.
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Fine, using the most liberal/UNcharacteristic Muslim countries. you're up to 5% of the overall population including exceptional Turkey, and that's about it.
Still a huge loser in allowing me and others to make quite fair generalizations about Islamic Intolerance, and for Kobie, etc, too IslamISM.
You have Dishonestly NOT acknowledged the OVERALL Stats! (the other 95%)
Ooops!

Further, One does NOT have to be an 'terrorist' to be an Islamist.
In fact, relevant to the stats I posted, I'd call anyone who wants Strict Sharia, ie, to stone-to-death Adulterers, Kill Apostates, and those who 'Insult Islam', and hang homosexuals, and/or wants Strict Sharia in the USA Too, an IslamIST.
(Sure, let's import them! Europe is so happy they have!)

Just as Literal Christians are called fundamentalists/'Radicals' so are Literal Muslims IslamIST/fundamentalists.
Of course:
1. Only about 10% of Christians are literalists while probably a Very Healthy Majority of Muslims are [Islamist]. (yet more polls available)
2. Muslims are literal to a much more Violent/LESS Compatible with Western Values book.

Practicing Muslim reformer Irshad Manji:

"... The trouble with Islam today is that Literalism is Mainstream.

Even Moderate Muslims take the Koran as the final word of God: unfiltered, unchanged and unchangeable.
This Supremacy Complex inhibits us from asking hard questions about what happens when faith becomes dogma.
Such a path can lead only to a dead end of More Violence... ​

IOW, IslamISM (Literalism) (what we Accuse Christians here of being 'Radicals' for) is MAINSTREAM in Islam.. ISM.

IOW and again:
What would Literalist/"Radical" Pat-Robertson-Prez-Land do to Adulterers? Apostates?
Counseling?

So there is HUGE difference in both quantity and quality of Christian v Muslim ISMs. (extreme, radical, fundamental, etc)

Ergo, YOU, along with everyone else on your side in this string, has NO idea what you're talking about in not only equating the religions, but your fair use of terminology.
in a few words:
A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.

I've said virtually all of this dozens of times in as many strings for 5 Years.
No takers on these WESTERN Muslims I guess.
My string of EXACTLY 5 years ago
(read a few pages for the similar debate)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...zero-tolerance-homosexuality-0-fer-500-a.html
What would you hypocrites call such if it was Christians?

Can anyone tell whose versed in this topic and who not?
 
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Grant said:
Because this is a debate board you're expected to debate using some logic, with personal ad homs being discouraged and generally recognized as the lowest fall-back position.

Your claim that I "hate" Muslims is interesting, and a word leftists throw around with thoughtless abandon. This is why they encourage 'hate' laws in order to stifle any debate on any subject with which they disagree, Just use the 'hate' label in order to silence any dissent whatsoever.

Far from me being the 'hater' here, that charge correctly lies at the feet of those Muslims who quietly accept the inhumanity carried out in the name of their religion. Muslims have just murdered 132 schoolchildren in Pakistan, carried out their terrorism in Canada and Australia, and you claim I am the 'hater'. The irony here rises well above your head.

While you may admire your bold stand in taking up the cause of terrorists it is actually those who speak out against Islamic terrorism who are risking their lives. Coming out for the execution of Gays, the murdering and disfigurement of little girls, the execution of women for being raped, etc. is not really that bold at all. You speak for no one except those who contribute to these barbaric practices, either by carrying out these inhumane acts or by staying silent while others do the the dirty work.. Either way it is quite cowardly.
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Be silent.

Keep your forked tongue behind teeth.

I have not passed through Fire and death to belly creed words with a witless worm.

You are scum grant, you and everyone like you that try to justify your fascist opinions to subvert the very foundations of free speech, free worship and a democratic nation.

You and your fascist ilk are as much of a threat to this country as the terrorists are.

Justify it any way you want, but it will not change the end result, your hateful views will never take hold in this country.
 
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