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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    As they have found in other countries, some of these mosques are nothing but breeding ground for terrorists.

    If the people thought that was a possiblity, why let them in?
    D'ya think maybe meetings held in barns and homes might be richer breeding grounds? Is your America a place where people aren't free to worship according to their beliefs?
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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No. I advocate the right of communities to suppress false religions. That in no way encourages the suppression of the true religion, any more than making it illegal to poison people encourages making it illegal not to poison people.
    Do you advocate the right of government to decide what is a false and what a true religion? Damn, you really are conservative.
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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Do you advocate the right of government to decide what is a false and what a true religion? Damn, you really are conservative.
    No. God already revealed which religion is true, so the government has discretion to decide to what degree false religions will be suppressed.

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Can't blame people for not wanting a potential Jihadist recruiting center in their city.
    Sure you can, such people are un-American with their disregard for our constitutional right to freedom of religion and to be considered innocent unless found guilty of a crime after a fair trial. They are stupidly bigoted and/or ignorant if they think all two billion of the world's Muslims are a threat.

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No. God already revealed which religion is true, so the government has discretion to decide to what degree false religions will be suppressed.
    Spoken like a true conservative. Being liberal, I want the government out of my life and everyone else's as much as it can be, but vive la difference.
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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Never heard the call to prayer broadcast have you. It's not the same as street noise.
    Reasonable, equally applied restrictions on the sound level and times of day allowed for bell ringing and calls to prayer are legitimate and constitutional.

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No. God already revealed which religion is true, so the government has discretion to decide to what degree false religions will be suppressed.
    The one true religion???

    I didn't get the memo...

    Don't you believe in freedom of religion? Make no mistake... The religion those fallible, very human folks in your town might suppress is your very own.

    Then what?

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    The one true religion???

    I didn't get the memo...
    Yes, I'm guessing you got the memo but just won't accept it.

    Don't you believe in freedom of religion?
    No, why would I believe in such a ridiculous idea? Different ways of doing things should only be treated equally if they are in fact equal. The belief in religious freedom proceeds from the implicit idea that they are equal.

    Make no mistake... The religion those fallible, very human folks in your town might suppress is your very own.
    All the more reason for the government to officially recognize the true religion as such, so that local people in error won't be able to do that.

    Then what?
    Then I continue observing the true religion, albeit likely clandestinely.

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    Frankly, it all starts with a mosque.

    10-15 years ago Turkish secularists were accused of being intolerant bigots.Now we came to a point where we have mandatory religion classes for 4 year-old kids, segregation in schools, more than 20 mosques in a single neighborhood. I'm sorry but this is the truth.Their demands and self-victimization never end.
    It doesn't start with mosques, the USA has had some for decades. It starts with government's failure to protect everyone's freedom of religion and the violation of the principal of secular and religiously neutral government.

    That just points out important it is to keep government secular and religions as free as possible. However, there need to be limits to the power of any religion, faction or interest group, which is why religions should not be free to take complete control of the government, even if their followers are the majority. Protecting the freedom of all religions requires preventing one (or more] religion from controlling schools or other governmental functions.

    Many (but not most] Christians in the USA also claim to be victims of intolerant secularist bigots when they try to seize control of the government also. Until Supreme Court decisions effectively began enforcement of our first amendment right to freedom of religion for the first time in the early 1960s, the USA also had mandatory religious instruction, prayer and gender segregation in public schools.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 12-07-14 at 10:16 PM.

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    Re: Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Reasonable, equally applied restrictions on the sound level and times of day allowed for bell ringing and calls to prayer are legitimate and constitutional.
    I'm a military brat, and spent most of high school in a Muslim country. The call to prayer, after awhile, became like any other "normal" day-to-day, white-type noise. Assuming you could hear it *over* the normal hustle and bustle.

    I would be very surprised if they were trying to do the public, 5x prayer call at all in Kennesaw.

    That being said... I can understand the noise concern, especially for those who haven't experienced it.

    Although I got used to it for the most part, that freakin' call did wake me a lot at the butt crack of dawn on weekends! At the age of 16, that was a giant party foul.

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