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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    "Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers"

    Of course he does. It isn't his money. Perhaps they would settle for cell phones.

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    I like this idea. However, as a few have already posted-their is room for manipulation by police personnel. We will be hearing: "the camera wasn't on when I shot the perp!" or, "I forgot to wear the camera", ect, ect.

    My concern is not that this will work, it is why do we have to spend another Quarter of a Billion dollars NOW? Our national debt is now over $18 trillion. It will easily surpass $20 trillion by the time we get a new president. Unsustainability is the word that comes to mind. Why can't we do this gradually so that the economic hit isn't so bad? Do we need to rush this because Obama wants to boost his legacy? (not too hard to do, considering)

    Also, I understand the logic behind using cameras. It makes sense. But, I kinda think that the timing is a little insulting to LEOS. It is like: "we coulda indicted Off. Wilson if we had video footage", so, "we will get cameras so this type of injustice will never happen again."

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    The White House announced Monday that President Barack Obama will sign an executive order meant to improve training for local law enforcement agencies that receive equipment through federal grant programs. Among the proposed initiatives is a 3-year, $263 million investment package, of which $75 million would go toward covering half the cost of 50,000 officer-mounted cameras -- a technology that has been widely cited as a necessary police reform following the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager shot and killed by Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson in August.

    Monday's announcement was greeted by some as a victory for transparency in law enforcement. Yet with almost 630,000 police officers working nationwide, it's not clear how much of an effect even 50,000 cameras would have.

    Body cameras have long been a popular proposal among police reform advocates, who say that documenting interactions between officers and civilians can help to eliminate bias and uncertainty regarding alleged misconduct by either party. One frequently cited pilot program in Rialto, California, found that between 2012 and 2013, in the first year of the city using police cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.

    Despite resistance from some police officials and union members who have called the cameras an unnecessary distraction for officers, departments in major cities like Chicago, New York, Minneapolis and Washington, D.C., as well as smaller cities like Ferguson, have started using cameras, or have at least announced plans to do so.

    Obama's $75 million program, which still requires congressional approval, would seek to ease the financial burden of outfitting police officers with cameras by providing a 50 percent funding match to states and localities that decide to participate. (Individual cameras cost between $300 and $400, on top of which are the costs associated with storing and maintaining the data recorded by the devices.) But with no ability to compel local police departments to get behind this move, the administration must simply hope that enough law enforcement volunteers are willing to join the program

    Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers


    my question....especially for those who want this

    What is the law regarding anything the officer tapes as to whether or not it can be used as evidence against the person being videoed?

    Does the person have to be mirandized before anything they say or do can be used against them?

    If not, i love the camera idea. It will stop a lot of criminals from getting away with stuff because of technicalities


    And yes, they can be used against officers who probably shouldnt be on the force

    seems like a win/win......no more cases thrown out
    Once the criminals and activists realize how many more charges they will face now that police have cameras, I imagine the furor for cameras on all police will die down significantly. How many time do police give folks a break? That'll be on camera now too. There will be more pressure to fine em all.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once the criminals and activists realize how many more charges they will face now that police have cameras, I imagine the furor for cameras on all police will die down significantly. How many time do police give folks a break? That'll be on camera now too. There will be more pressure to fine em all.
    Hi Clownboy!
    I understand what you are saying. However, I don't believe there will be any complaints or requests for viewing if the police give folks a break. No disagreement there-the LEO wanted leniency and so did the citizen.
    Now...if the LEO is in the habit of letting law-breakers go and somebody screamed "foul" then, maybe the footage will be viewed.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Hi Clownboy!
    I understand what you are saying. However, I don't believe there will be any complaints or requests for viewing if the police give folks a break. No disagreement there-the LEO wanted leniency and so did the citizen.
    Now...if the LEO is in the habit of letting law-breakers go and somebody screamed "foul" then, maybe the footage will be viewed.

    I'm also thinking that often police don't bring all the charges they could. So the cam footage is viewed because of the main crime and several minor ones get appended. Plus you know, when officers are required to wear cam and be recorded, they will be far less likely to give those breaks.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I would add this however; were it to make an impact on how blacks view police, and make them feel more comfortable that the police officer has a camera, then it could do some good. Regardless of the facts though, blacks in this country are mistrustful of the police. And while much of that mistrust stems from a bunch race baiters like Sharpton, it is, however, the sad truth of it. So the question becomes, do you think it will have an impact on how blacks view police? I doubt it. Because you'll still have blacks breaking the law because they come from subpar (compared to whites) economic conditions, and we have a drug law in this country that has been disproportionately looking up blacks.

    Although, 263 million dollars is really a drop in the bucket when we're talking about a multi-trillion dollar budget. And if it helps in some civil liberties cases, then it can't hurt.
    According to my search on the internet, a first-rate body camera costs $300-$400. Money shouldn't enter the equation. Time to git 'er done. I agree with your post.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's speculation based on experience. Maybe I'm wrong. Dash cams have been around for a while and haven't been a problem. I don't know that they've really stopped anything bad from happening but the video is there either way. I just don't believe that they're going to solve any problems.

    The cops are going to look at the cameras as a way to cover their ass and the social justice vigilantes are going to look at them as a source of propaganda. In neither case is any crime getting reduced nor are community relations getting improved. It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. It looks like it should work but it really isn't fixing the underlying problem.
    The stats I have seen show that they reduce complaints about officer misconduct. Dash cams have helped secure convictions because there is proof of the drivers intoxicated state or misbehavior..

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once the criminals and activists realize how many more charges they will face now that police have cameras, I imagine the furor for cameras on all police will die down significantly.
    Activists want criminals caught just as much as everyone else. If cops stop giving breaks based on their racial preference or because the driver is an attractive woman, that will be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    I like this idea. However, as a few have already posted-their is room for manipulation by police personnel. We will be hearing: "the camera wasn't on when I shot the perp!" or, "I forgot to wear the camera", ect, ect.

    My concern is not that this will work, it is why do we have to spend another Quarter of a Billion dollars NOW? Our national debt is now over $18 trillion. It will easily surpass $20 trillion by the time we get a new president. Unsustainability is the word that comes to mind. Why can't we do this gradually so that the economic hit isn't so bad? Do we need to rush this because Obama wants to boost his legacy? (not too hard to do, considering)

    Also, I understand the logic behind using cameras. It makes sense. But, I kinda think that the timing is a little insulting to LEOS. It is like: "we coulda indicted Off. Wilson if we had video footage", so, "we will get cameras so this type of injustice will never happen again."
    The protests weren't about one the one incident, they were about an ongoing pattern. Accountability and truth are good for everyone involved, except criminals and bad cops. They will help exonerate the good cops wrongly accused.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The stats I have seen show that they reduce complaints about officer misconduct. Dash cams have helped secure convictions because there is proof of the drivers intoxicated state or misbehavior..
    I can certainly see where a camera can be a valuable investigative tool but it seems to me that the mandatory use any kind of "always on" recording device would be a 4th amendment issue.

    I really, really don't like the idea of a police state and that includes when the police are being unfairly policed.

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