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Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers

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What if...? said:
That and they end of the bullyboy mindset.

Too many times I've seen situations escalate because the cop was simply being a dick. Talking to people who are being cooperative like the cop caught em dandling a five year old.

This attitude is taught. Dominance takes priority. Not just controlling the situation but what can only be described as bullying.

Im not thrilled with the end of officer discretion. But I'm less thrilled with commonplace misbehavior. Make EVERYBODY be civil, not just the civilian.
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Except the civilians are under no obligation to be either civil or to tell the truth. In fact, you can pretty much count on folks to lie when stopped. That wears on you after a while.
 
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clownboy said:
Except the civilians are under no obligation to be either civil or to tell the truth. In fact, you can pretty much count on folks to lie when stopped. That wears on you after a while.
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"Not being civil" is all it takes to get a drubbing in my experience. Even when the cop comes in waving his dick around.

And the video will certainly reflect BOTH parties' behavior. I've seen cops lie their asses off more than once. So that goes both ways too.
 
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clownboy said:
Once the criminals and activists realize how many more charges they will face now that police have cameras, I imagine the furor for cameras on all police will die down significantly. How many time do police give folks a break? That'll be on camera now too. There will be more pressure to fine em all.
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That's the "downside". How many of us walked away from felonies as a kid due to officer discretion?

I would prefer a proactive approach from police departments, but the bullyboy demeanor is actually taught now, and I don't know of anyone who ever received satisfaction of any kind from filing a complaint against a misbehaving officer.

IMO, this is at the heart of public distrust of the police. Every person who witnesses police misbehavior being completely ignored by the department will likely carry that EARNED distrust for life.
 
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Hard Truth said:
The protests weren't about one the one incident, they were about an ongoing pattern. Accountability and truth are good for everyone involved, except criminals and bad cops. They will help exonerate the good cops wrongly accused.
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Hi Hard Truth!
How do you know that the above (bolded) is the case?

I believe that many protesters were motivated by what you said. However, that motivation, noble as it is, was not the motivation of all.
Some were motivated by THIS specific incident. Some were motivated because everyone else was doing it. (mob mentality)
Some were motivated because they wanted any chance to get back at "whitey".
Some were motivated by the thought of a free television set for Christmas.

I am sure that I could come up with other possible motivations as well.
 
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Monte said:
Hi Clownboy!
I understand what you are saying. However, I don't believe there will be any complaints or requests for viewing if the police give folks a break. No disagreement there-the LEO wanted leniency and so did the citizen.
Now...if the LEO is in the habit of letting law-breakers go and somebody screamed "foul" then, maybe the footage will be viewed.
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I promise you that ambitious prosecutors will be checking those videos for potential belt notches. That discretion will become a thing of the past.
 
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And then there's the federal access to those video databases. It's like adding several hundred thousand walking drones.
 
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clownboy said:
The cost doesn't stop there and it's continuous. You have to have a system for collection of feed and offsite, secure storage, AND the techs who can handle it all. Including reviewing officers and extra paid time to review the footage for officers. This means more personnel, more equipment to maintain, more training to do. It's not one and done, but a continuing cost, and the camera's themselves are the least costly of what is necessary.
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Sounds like typical SNAFU for government projects. Ongoing switch out of thumb drives by the week; kept for seven years; checked (w/o review) for integrity; no reviews of recordings unless a complaint is filed. False reports result in criminal prosecution and fines into the revenue stream for their ongoing management. It doesn't HAVE to be a whore's nightmare...

Basically, though, I do agree with you. I just wouldn't want that to get in the way of a good thing.
 
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I'm sure Officer Wilson wishes he had a camera in his patrol car. It would have saved him(and Ferguson) a ton of pain and I wouldn't have to see Al Sharpton's ugly mug on tv every 5 minutes. The greatest problem the black community has starts with their LEADERSHIP. MLK was their last RATIONAL leader and he's been gone for decades. Nothing will change until they wake up and realize that.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
I'm sure Officer Wilson wishes he had a camera in his patrol car. It would have saved him(and Ferguson) a ton of pain and I wouldn't have to see Al Sharpton's ugly mug on tv every 5 minutes. The greatest problem the black community has starts with their LEADERSHIP. MLK was their last RATIONAL leader and he's been gone for decades. Nothing will change until they wake up and realize that.
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You are assuming a video of what happened would have made any difference.
 
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Mason66 said:
You are assuming a video of what happened would have made any difference.
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if there was a video that backed up the Officer's story from day 1? ..... I absolutely think that would have made a difference, and diffused the situation before it ever got to the boiling point. no doubt
 
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JoeTrumps said:
if there was a video that backed up the Officer's story from day 1? ..... I absolutely think that would have made a difference, and diffused the situation before it ever got to the boiling point. no doubt
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I do have a doubt. If they won't accept any forensic evidence or the Grand Jury decision, why would you think they would accept a video?

They would say it was doctored or it didn't show what you think it shows.

This is still a white killing a black, and that is all that matters in this case.
 
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Moon said:
What nonsense. They're against pervasive government surveillance except for when they support it. Considering the government owns the equipment and the data, I'd guess most incidents that are recorded will be used for the government's benefit and not for accountability of the police. You want to turn that around, then find a way for the citizens to record government activities without harassment. As it is now, not only is the fox guarding the henhouse, the fox owns the henhouse.
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Did you notice and understand this part of the quote: "...We're against pervasive government surveillance, but when cameras primarily serve the function of allowing public monitoring of the government instead of the other way around, we generally regard that as a good thing..." You should read the proposals detailed in my link instead of just making knee-jerk assumptions about the ACLU. (AFAIK)The ACLU is the only nationwide organization addressing the issue of government video surveillance on behalf of the public..
 
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Mason66 said:
I do have a doubt. If they won't accept any forensic evidence or the Grand Jury decision, why would you think they would accept a video?

They would say it was doctored or it didn't show what you think it shows.

This is still a white killing a black, and that is all that matters in this case.
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yes, but they never could have gotten that "hands up" slogan off the ground, and no "eyewitnesses" saying he was shot in the back. All the bad info at the very beginning of the event triggered the chaos that followed. A video would have stopped all that from happening.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
yes, but they never could have gotten that "hands up" slogan off the ground, and no "eyewitnesses" saying he was shot in the back. All the bad info at the very beginning of the event triggered the chaos that followed. A video would have stopped all that from happening.
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If you remember in this case, the police didn't make any statements for quite a while. I am sure even if they had the video, they would have done the same thing.

Now with that in mind, the Hands Up Don't Shoot crap came out right away from the statement from the accomplice. Maybe it wouldn't have grown so big, but I think it wold still be part of the narrative.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Did you notice and understand this part of the quote: "...We're against pervasive government surveillance, but when cameras primarily serve the function of allowing public monitoring of the government instead of the other way around, we generally regard that as a good thing..." You should read the proposals detailed in my link instead of just making knee-jerk assumptions about the ACLU. (AFAIK)The ACLU is the only nationwide organization addressing the issue of government video surveillance on behalf of the public..
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That's what I responded to. Did you not notice or understand what I wrote?
 
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I wish he would do the same for congress
 
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Hard Truth said:
Did you notice and understand this part of the quote: "...We're against pervasive government surveillance, but when cameras primarily serve the function of allowing public monitoring of the government instead of the other way around, we generally regard that as a good thing..." You should read the proposals detailed in my link instead of just making knee-jerk assumptions about the ACLU. (AFAIK)The ACLU is the only nationwide organization addressing the issue of government video surveillance on behalf of the public..
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Who is keeping the data?
 
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JoeTrumps said:
yes, but they never could have gotten that "hands up" slogan off the ground, and no "eyewitnesses" saying he was shot in the back. All the bad info at the very beginning of the event triggered the chaos that followed. A video would have stopped all that from happening.
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I disagree, that was the press reporting and inciting all that from the beginning. The public wouldn't have access to the video that early on.
 
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clownboy said:
Who is keeping the data?
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I'll do it. My schedule has been a bit slow lately.
 
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clownboy said:
Who is keeping the data?
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The police departments. That is not ideal and third party might be better but that would increase costs. But is better than having no record at all. The police would have to explain any missing content. It is very difficult, possibly impossible to edit the content in a way that is undetectable due to the timestamps.
 
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