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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    I don't hate this idea, but I do not see this as the role of the federal government.

    Pity they couldn't also be mounted with wifi hotspots and coffee dispensers. Now that would be convenient.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I don't hate this idea, but I do not see this as the role of the federal government.

    Pity they couldn't also be mounted with wifi hotspots and coffee dispensers. Now that would be convenient.
    You want to see a cop in charge if dispensing coffee? Maybe on swing shifts but day and night shift, no way in hell that would work.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You want to see a cop in charge if dispensing coffee? Maybe on swing shifts but day and night shift, no way in hell that would work.
    If they can put a man on the moon, they can outfit a cop with a coffee dispenser.

    If the video becomes public record, could these be the new version of a first person shooter game or perhaps a snuff film. The commercial opportunities are endless

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What "corrupt departments"?!

    It's starting to sound like the primary reason for these cameras is to keep cops in check! I've got to ask, how much of this push is really to ferret out crime and how much is pure voyeurism?
    It's only point is to main an accurate recording of what happens in an incident. If the cop is the one in the wrong, it's even MORE important that it be recorded, no?

    We don't know which police department suffer from extensive corruption, because it is easily concealed. The cameras are a measure against that.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I completely agree with all of the upsides you list here. If all of these things can happen, police cams will be a winner all around. I'm also going to be optimistic that the net cost in the end will benefit the taxpayers with the presumption that this will save us a lot of money in trial costs. I don't particularly care for local police being ordered to have them, but if the community thinks there's a need, I'm all for communities paying for them.
    Trials are for TV justice shows - in real life, plea deals are the rule and trials are the exception to the rule. It just may have the opposite effect (and I hope that it does) if police can release the video "facts" after a perp is allowed to plea to much lesser offense than can clearly be seen happening. The biggest problem with our "just us" system is that the courts take too many shortcuts and far too few cases (under 10%?) ever see a trial.

    Many look at these cameras as a way to confirm what actually occurred but then what will become of cases that lack this video evidence or when a judge orders that video to remain private? We now seem to expect to have conclusive DNA evidence and a video recording to get a conviction - if the glove doesn't fit then you must acquit will even be more likely to rule.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Can't hardly wait until the videos of cops taking a piss start showing up on YouTube.

    I wonder if the ALCU is hiring extra staff in anticipation of all the privacy rights suits they'll be filing.

    Something needs to be done but I'm not sure this won't cause more problems than it fixes. We'll see.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If they can put a man on the moon, they can outfit a cop with a coffee dispenser.

    If the video becomes public record, could these be the new version of a first person shooter game or perhaps a snuff film. The commercial opportunities are endless
    That is the legally tricky part of police vest cameras; after we the sheeple are forced to pay millions (or more?) to obtian this "public record" it will be kept strictlly under govenrnment control - just as non-video, police and accident reports are now.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the legally tricky part of police vest cameras; after we the sheeple are forced to pay millions (or more?) to obtian this "public record" it will be kept strictlly under govenrnment control - just as non-video, police and accident reports are now.
    If it is juicy, someone like TMZ will probably still be able to get it.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    On the other hand, how much legs do you think this Michael Brown thing would of had were they to of been leaked, or just put to the press, the chest mounted camera footage of the exchange between Michael Brown and Officer Wilson. For one thing, I doubt we'd have as many protests as we do/did. I mean, he had to resign from doing police work because of this mess. All because of a lie. This would be in place as much to protect the officers from wrongful charges being brought up than anything else.



    Look I agree with you, but don't you think the cops will have more protection for themselves when all they have to say to that punk who's screaming racism is, "You see the camera? If you really think that's the case, please, write a letter to the department and you can get your video. Otherwise, I have a job to do."
    I reluctantly support the camera thing.

    But I'm quite sure some of the reduction in rates in rialto is folks refraining from making false accusations.

    What cameras will do more than anything is cut down on the belligerent bullyboy demeanor that has developed in too many departments. Too many cops want to treat you like a child molester while demanding you be civil under penalty of pain, arrest or death.

    This attitude is a big part of the public's attitude towards police.

    The downside is no more discretion. No more "catch and release" where they take the kids beer and call it good.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Can't hardly wait until the videos of cops taking a piss start showing up on YouTube.

    I wonder if the ALCU is hiring extra staff in anticipation of all the privacy rights suits they'll be filing.

    Something needs to be done but I'm not sure this won't cause more problems than it fixes. We'll see.
    That bolded part made me laugh out loud.
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