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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The cameras will be minimally effective if at all. It's another "feel good" idea.

    The fact of the matter is that there will always be incidents where the emotional pull for one side or the other will outweigh whatever evidence is presented. There is nothing....absolutely nothing that will change the minds of some folks who believe that Trayvon Martin and/or Mike Brown were murdered. If there was video evidence that Brown punched Wilson, grabbed his gun, and ran back at him there would still be people out there blaming Wilson for stopping him in the first place.

    This camera footage will be subpoenaed for everything and anything. Think about it, somebody gets their nose out of joint because they see a cop yelling at a jaywalker and next thing you know the request goes out for his or her camera footage of the incident. The cop didn't do anything wrong but the yelling will be cause for a civil action against the PD for "creating an uncomfortable environment".
    They have been adopted in many places and every report I have seen shows that they had a positive impact. Is there any factual basis for your claims?

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Goshin.

    : If it takes cameras, then by all means buy them! The only thing that puzzles me is that only 50,000 might be bought to be shared by 650,000 policemen nationwide. I realize that people work in shifts, but that still doesn't seem to be enough, unless they're only to be used in big cities. And would swat teams also get them, or just traffic policemen, etc?

    Yeah, need more like 250,000 at a minimum.

    Step in the right direction at least....

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Start building more prisons because there's going to be more convictions with officers wearing cameras.

    It's another liberal idea that will backfire.

    How often has liberals /progressives ever been right ? In 1973 libs didn't want to serve in uniform so they ended the draft. Then they didn't want America going to war so they passed the War Powers Act and came up with the "Total Force" policy that the Army couldn't even deploy one combat brigade without calling up the reserves and Guard. How many times has the U.S. Army been deployed into combat since 1973 ? The libs got it wrong again.

    What the cameras will reveal, that criminals who don't respect law enforcement who have an attitude problem with cops are going to end up getting their butts whooped when called for and being easily convicted in court and sent to prison. And Al Sharpton and the other race hustlers will be agitating and calling the cameras racist.
    If more real criminals get arrested and convicted (or even better, takes a plea deal because the criminal will know they can't win in court) this liberal and many others will be please. I will also be pleased if there is a reduction in false accusations of misconduct by police. I will also be pleased when charges are dropped against innocent people when the video contradicts the cop's claim of criminal behavior, not only will an innocent person get exonerated, the cost of a trial will be saved.. I will also be pleased when bad cops are caught and kicked off the force, hopefully before the local government has to settle a lawsuit. I will also be pleased when both cops and members of the public interacting with them are on their best behavior because they know that they will be held accountable.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Probably as successful as wringing information out of the federal government -- a 50/50 chance on whether or not they'll comply with the request, as the FOIA has loopholes officials can state when denying a request, and if it goes further I.e. a lawsuit, then all the authorities have to do is say 'national security' and the judge will overwhelmingly side with the officials in censoring information from becoming public knowledge.
    I don't think local law enforcement can pull the "national security" line.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    I'm a little confused as to why the Fed Govt is paying for these - shouldn't it be a state thing? And isn't this coming at just the perfect time?

    That being said - I think it's a good idea. It's not nearly enough to cover the nation's LEOs, but it's a start. To stretch them farther, don't issue one per officer. Issue one per shift. When you sign out at the end of your tour, you turn in your camera to someone in IT, and let them upload the contents onto a hard drive. Then wipe it clean, issue it to the next officer, and so on.

    Hopefully the states can get on the bandwagon, too, to help make up for the lack of cameras that the Govt isn't covering.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    The White House announced Monday that President Barack Obama will sign an executive order meant to improve training for local law enforcement agencies that receive equipment through federal grant programs. Among the proposed initiatives is a 3-year, $263 million investment package, of which $75 million would go toward covering half the cost of 50,000 officer-mounted cameras -- a technology that has been widely cited as a necessary police reform following the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager shot and killed by Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson in August.

    Monday's announcement was greeted by some as a victory for transparency in law enforcement. Yet with almost 630,000 police officers working nationwide, it's not clear how much of an effect even 50,000 cameras would have.

    Body cameras have long been a popular proposal among police reform advocates, who say that documenting interactions between officers and civilians can help to eliminate bias and uncertainty regarding alleged misconduct by either party. One frequently cited pilot program in Rialto, California, found that between 2012 and 2013, in the first year of the city using police cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.

    Despite resistance from some police officials and union members who have called the cameras an unnecessary distraction for officers, departments in major cities like Chicago, New York, Minneapolis and Washington, D.C., as well as smaller cities like Ferguson, have started using cameras, or have at least announced plans to do so.

    Obama's $75 million program, which still requires congressional approval, would seek to ease the financial burden of outfitting police officers with cameras by providing a 50 percent funding match to states and localities that decide to participate. (Individual cameras cost between $300 and $400, on top of which are the costs associated with storing and maintaining the data recorded by the devices.) But with no ability to compel local police departments to get behind this move, the administration must simply hope that enough law enforcement volunteers are willing to join the program

    Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers


    my question....especially for those who want this

    What is the law regarding anything the officer tapes as to whether or not it can be used as evidence against the person being videoed?

    Does the person have to be mirandized before anything they say or do can be used against them?

    If not, i love the camera idea. It will stop a lot of criminals from getting away with stuff because of technicalities

    And yes, they can be used against officers who probably shouldnt be on the force

    seems like a win/win......no more cases thrown out
    Long overdue: body cameras and dash cams on every marked squad car and uniformed officer on the road in the United States. Sooner the better.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I don't think local law enforcement can pull the "national security" line.
    They have their own vernacular that means essentially the same thing but just on a smaller scale -- their state or community as compared to the nation as a whole.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    They have been adopted in many places and every report I have seen shows that they had a positive impact. Is there any factual basis for your claims?
    It's speculation based on experience. Maybe I'm wrong. Dash cams have been around for a while and haven't been a problem. I don't know that they've really stopped anything bad from happening but the video is there either way. I just don't believe that they're going to solve any problems.

    The cops are going to look at the cameras as a way to cover their ass and the social justice vigilantes are going to look at them as a source of propaganda. In neither case is any crime getting reduced nor are community relations getting improved. It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. It looks like it should work but it really isn't fixing the underlying problem.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    I do have my reservations when it comes to funding this on a national level, but overall this is pretty great news. Not the end goal in regards to civil reform but definitely a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    The White House announced Monday that President Barack Obama will sign an executive order meant to improve training for local law enforcement agencies that receive equipment through federal grant programs. Among the proposed initiatives is a 3-year, $263 million investment package, of which $75 million would go toward covering half the cost of 50,000 officer-mounted cameras -- a technology that has been widely cited as a necessary police reform following the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager shot and killed by Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson in August.

    Monday's announcement was greeted by some as a victory for transparency in law enforcement. Yet with almost 630,000 police officers working nationwide, it's not clear how much of an effect even 50,000 cameras would have.

    Body cameras have long been a popular proposal among police reform advocates, who say that documenting interactions between officers and civilians can help to eliminate bias and uncertainty regarding alleged misconduct by either party. One frequently cited pilot program in Rialto, California, found that between 2012 and 2013, in the first year of the city using police cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.

    Despite resistance from some police officials and union members who have called the cameras an unnecessary distraction for officers, departments in major cities like Chicago, New York, Minneapolis and Washington, D.C., as well as smaller cities like Ferguson, have started using cameras, or have at least announced plans to do so.

    Obama's $75 million program, which still requires congressional approval, would seek to ease the financial burden of outfitting police officers with cameras by providing a 50 percent funding match to states and localities that decide to participate. (Individual cameras cost between $300 and $400, on top of which are the costs associated with storing and maintaining the data recorded by the devices.) But with no ability to compel local police departments to get behind this move, the administration must simply hope that enough law enforcement volunteers are willing to join the program

    Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers


    my question....especially for those who want this

    What is the law regarding anything the officer tapes as to whether or not it can be used as evidence against the person being videoed?

    Does the person have to be mirandized before anything they say or do can be used against them?

    If not, i love the camera idea. It will stop a lot of criminals from getting away with stuff because of technicalities

    And yes, they can be used against officers who probably shouldnt be on the force

    seems like a win/win......no more cases thrown out
    What would this improved training teach Officer Wilson that he didn't already know and how would this have saved the suspects life?

    Maybe the way we are going is to have police officers let aggressive suspects go to let them terrorize the public.

    if we don't want the police to take these people down, they will go after the public. We can't have it both ways.

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