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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A rare occasion where an Obama plan meets with my enthusiastic approval.
    How quickly do you think those videos will be hidden when they don't get the results they want?
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How quickly do you think those videos will be hidden when they don't get the results they want?



    Define 'they'.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    And by the way, this is why I asked how easily it is to get a hold of these videos and the success rate. I'm curious, as one who is keen on this issue, do you have idea of that that success rate is? If there's any data?
    Probably as successful as wringing information out of the federal government -- a 50/50 chance on whether or not they'll comply with the request, as the FOIA has loopholes officials can state when denying a request, and if it goes further I.e. a lawsuit, then all the authorities have to do is say 'national security' and the judge will overwhelmingly side with the officials in censoring information from becoming public knowledge.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Define 'they'.
    Listen at about 1:00

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

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    The White House announced Monday that President Barack Obama will sign an executive order meant to improve training for local law enforcement agencies that receive equipment through federal grant programs. Among the proposed initiatives is a 3-year, $263 million investment package, of which $75 million would go toward covering half the cost of 50,000 officer-mounted cameras -- a technology that has been widely cited as a necessary police reform following the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager shot and killed by Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson in August.

    Monday's announcement was greeted by some as a victory for transparency in law enforcement. Yet with almost 630,000 police officers working nationwide, it's not clear how much of an effect even 50,000 cameras would have.

    Body cameras have long been a popular proposal among police reform advocates, who say that documenting interactions between officers and civilians can help to eliminate bias and uncertainty regarding alleged misconduct by either party. One frequently cited pilot program in Rialto, California, found that between 2012 and 2013, in the first year of the city using police cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent.

    Despite resistance from some police officials and union members who have called the cameras an unnecessary distraction for officers, departments in major cities like Chicago, New York, Minneapolis and Washington, D.C., as well as smaller cities like Ferguson, have started using cameras, or have at least announced plans to do so.

    Obama's $75 million program, which still requires congressional approval, would seek to ease the financial burden of outfitting police officers with cameras by providing a 50 percent funding match to states and localities that decide to participate. (Individual cameras cost between $300 and $400, on top of which are the costs associated with storing and maintaining the data recorded by the devices.) But with no ability to compel local police departments to get behind this move, the administration must simply hope that enough law enforcement volunteers are willing to join the program

    Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Officers


    my question....especially for those who want this

    What is the law regarding anything the officer tapes as to whether or not it can be used as evidence against the person being videoed?

    Does the person have to be mirandized before anything they say or do can be used against them?

    If not, i love the camera idea. It will stop a lot of criminals from getting away with stuff because of technicalities

    And yes, they can be used against officers who probably shouldnt be on the force

    seems like a win/win......no more cases thrown out
    Not a federal issue. Policing is a state issue.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Define 'they'.
    On a serious note, "they" is the Obama admin.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    On a serious note, "they" is the Obama admin.


    I love you bruh, but I think you're going too partisan on this one. Po-po cams are the wave of the future, and they're going to be a good thing.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Start building more prisons because there's going to be more convictions with officers wearing cameras.

    It's another liberal idea that will backfire.

    How often has liberals /progressives ever been right ? In 1973 libs didn't want to serve in uniform so they ended the draft. Then they didn't want America going to war so they passed the War Powers Act and came up with the "Total Force" policy that the Army couldn't even deploy one combat brigade without calling up the reserves and Guard. How many times has the U.S. Army been deployed into combat since 1973 ? The libs got it wrong again.

    What the cameras will reveal, that criminals who don't respect law enforcement who have an attitude problem with cops are going to end up getting their butts whooped when called for and being easily convicted in court and sent to prison. And Al Sharpton and the other race hustlers will be agitating and calling the cameras racist.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I hope they do buy those cameras, but I doubt Obama will get the results he's looking for.
    It will take decades to implement this. Obama will just be another ex-President long before this is uniform.

    He's making an effort on a practical solution. Who else is in the Ferguson tornado?


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How quickly do you think those videos will be hidden when they don't get the results they want?
    It's not going to be applied or enforced evenly. That's just the multilevel nature of our police forces. It'll be up to the people of the city\county\state to demand they be implemented. One hopes the success stories will help drive that.

    What we should be after is an unvarnished accounting of the actual incident? How could that ever fail to serve the public good?

    But yeah, the cop themselves will typically hate it at first, and the police unions will fight it tooth and nail.

    It will seem insulting and oblige them to adhere to policies that they often let slide at present. It will expose poor officer performance rapidly.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A rare occasion where an Obama plan meets with my enthusiastic approval.
    Greetings, Goshin.

    : If it takes cameras, then by all means buy them! The only thing that puzzles me is that only 50,000 might be bought to be shared by 650,000 policemen nationwide. I realize that people work in shifts, but that still doesn't seem to be enough, unless they're only to be used in big cities. And would swat teams also get them, or just traffic policemen, etc?

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