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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No, they won't prevent riots, but they'll make the court cases shorter and cheaper.



    And hey, they could prevent riots, too. I mean, would people be shouting "Hands up, don't shoot!" if they had footage of a man WITHOUT his hands up for all to see?
    They would be shouting something else, while they were burning the town down.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Maybe it would have helped. Then again, maybe it would have showed nothing because it got knocked off in the scuffle or was pointed forward when the actions was on the left. Maybe even if it showed the whole deal in 1080p people would still complain that it was "doctored" by the cops.

    Let's think about one other thing. Let's say that the camera worked just fine and caught everything just exactly the way that Wilson said it happened. What would that solve? Yeah, maybe there wouldn't have been riots but would it have eased the tensions between cops and the community? Would Al Sharpton and Malik Shabazz then suddenly stand in the street and start hollering "We need to clean our act up!" No, that damned sure wouldn't happen. Wilson would be cleared but the problem of cop hate and criminal behavior would still be there. The camera wouldn't have fixed a damned thing.
    Even if it was knocked off, I think it would of been very enlightening just to hear the scuffle inside the police car when Brown was reaching for the gun. That right there would of had even more impact than when they released the convenience store video to punch holes in this whole "Michael Brown is a Martyr" thing. But you said it at the end there but I don't want it glossed over; were Wilson to have a camera, he very likely would still have a job as a police officer. For this to have cost him his job is travesty, and something that no one is talking about because all they want to do is put him up as a symbol of police brutality. She married a fellow police officer a short while ago. Is she going to have to deal now with the legacy of this ****? If so, then she'll have to retire as well, costing the town two good police officers. That more than anything is why I argue cops in this day and age need to have those chest mounted cameras. Especially when you consider the prevalence of people with cell phone cameras. It be very easy to run into another Rodney King situation, where only the parts that make the cop look bad are released.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    You're right, most cops are good, I haven't and won't lose sight of that, however, the prevalence of immoral and illegal behavior coming from them are and has been on the rise.
    And by the way, this is why I asked how easily it is to get a hold of these videos and the success rate. I'm curious, as one who is keen on this issue, do you have idea of that that success rate is? If there's any data?

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Lutherf.

    : How does anyone fix that? Maybe if jobs were more plentiful, it would ease the tensions since people would have something to do other than nurse a feeling that they are being cheated out of something they feel they are owed. Would the rioters in Ferguson feel better about the police if the entire force were black? Is it really racial, or is it just resentment about life in general?
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    It takes strong leadership in the community. I think you're really on target with the "resentment about life in general". That crap has been crammed down the throats of these communities by people who profit by keeping them down for decades. Back in the 50's and 60's people the key word was "overcome". Folks were encouraged to better themselves and their communities. They were encouraged to be proud and defiant of those that really did victimize them. Unfortunately, it's hard to stand up to real abuse but it's easy to pick and choose certain nits to pick and call them "abuse". If I were in the shoes of some of these people I'd damned sure have to think twice about ratting out a drug dealer who has made it known that he knows where my kids go to school and where I live. Who knows, maybe I'd turn a blind eye to the shop keeper that got beat up because he didn't pay his protection if I thought I might be next.

    These problems aren't really black problems. Over the years they've been Irish problems and Italian problems and Jewish problems, etc. They happen in Asian communities too. If you get a chance take a look at all the stuff Leeland Yee was involved with back in CA. Lots of people have tried lots of stuff to fix the problems but they're endemic and the only thing that EVER fixes them is encouraging successful, healthy, lawful communities and that takes leaders who actually care.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Actually, I posted a link up above in this thread that discusses the discrepancy between cameras in Rialto and cameras in Albuquerque. They aren't the panacea folks would like to believe they are.
    I choose to be on the side of transparency not only because it keeps the police in check but also because it can help with the processing of a myriad of tasks the police routinely do. The benefits for efficiency alone are a compelling argument.

    So what are some of the negative impacts?

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Alot of opinion for sure about body cams. I worked with quite a few rural OK deputies and a few Sheriffs. Most are for cameras, many already wear a body mic while on one man patrol and at least one deputy was fired for turning his off on a routine traffic stop.

    It stops the citizen attempting to claim harassment or unwanted sexual advances when stopped for a traffic violation. It records what was said by whom if the stop escalates.

    I don't see it as a tool to prosecute a citizen, but rather a shield to stop false claims against the Officer.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    One of the very few things I actually agree with Obama on. While 50k camera's are just a drop of water compared to whats really needed its a very big drop of water. I'm an advocate of police wearing camera's. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but a video is worth a million imo.
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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Hi P!!

    It takes strong leadership in the community. I think you're really on target with the "resentment about life in general". That crap has been crammed down the throats of these communities by people who profit by keeping them down for decades. Back in the 50's and 60's people the key word was "overcome". Folks were encouraged to better themselves and their communities. They were encouraged to be proud and defiant of those that really did victimize them. Unfortunately, it's hard to stand up to real abuse but it's easy to pick and choose certain nits to pick and call them "abuse". If I were in the shoes of some of these people I'd damned sure have to think twice about ratting out a drug dealer who has made it known that he knows where my kids go to school and where I live. Who knows, maybe I'd turn a blind eye to the shop keeper that got beat up because he didn't pay his protection if I thought I might be next.

    These problems aren't really black problems. Over the years they've been Irish problems and Italian problems and Jewish problems, etc. They happen in Asian communities too. If you get a chance take a look at all the stuff Leeland Yee was involved with back in CA. Lots of people have tried lots of stuff to fix the problems but they're endemic and the only thing that EVER fixes them is encouraging successful, healthy, lawful communities and that takes leaders who actually care.
    One thing we don't need is the divisiveness that is being actively encouraged, and the middle finger that is being given by those that don't feel they have to obey the laws of this country. Professional agitators worsened the Kent State University situation back in 1968 during the Viet Nam era, and people died. Not the agitators, though, they left after inflaming the crowds, who rioted and burned buildings. The same type of thing is being done today in Ferguson, IMO. My suggestion has been if they don't want white policemen, hire black ones for their community and see if their lives improve. This Bull**** has got to stop!

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    A rare occasion where an Obama plan meets with my enthusiastic approval.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    How much has been spent on Ferguson, alone? These things will pay for themselves.
    I hope they do buy those cameras, but I doubt Obama will get the results he's looking for.
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