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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    Come again?
    A Study in Contrasts Between Rialto Police and Albuquerque Police in Regards to Body-Mounted Cameras - PINAC

    Look, the goal is to reduce crime not to find more ways to point more fingers at cops. As an example, we put speed cameras at a bunch of intersections around town because it was going to make the intersections safer and people wouldn't be able to contest the photographic evidence. Well, the intersections where the cameras are definitely have slower traffic but I haven't seen any evidence that they're safer or that the streets in general are safer. Cop cameras are going to be just the same way. People ALREADY tend to chill out when the cops arrive and those that don't aren't likely to be deterred by a camera. Have you ever seen COPS? People damned near seem to WANT to get on that show!

    The best way - and probably the only way - to make sure that we don't have too many renegade cops is to find them and punish them. Frankly, that's already happening and always has been happening. These incidents of "abuse" you see are few and far between but they get LOTS of air time because anti-cop folks pimp the videos.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    This is a step in the right direction, however, I'm anticipating the same excuses used with the dashcams, "Officer So-and-So's body camera was not functioning."

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's for a speeding ticket, are we to assume there the same procedure for chest mounted camera? And even then, any idea the success rate of people asking for video from the police?

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I would add this however; were it to make an impact on how blacks view police, and make them feel more comfortable that the police officer has a camera, then it could do some good. Regardless of the facts though, blacks in this country are mistrustful of the police. And while much of that mistrust stems from a bunch race baiters like Sharpton, it is, however, the sad truth of it. So the question becomes, do you think it will have an impact on how blacks view police? I doubt it. Because you'll still have blacks breaking the law because they come from subpar (compared to whites) economic conditions, and we have a drug law in this country that has been disproportionately looking up blacks.

    Although, 263 million dollars is really a drop in the bucket when we're talking about a multi-trillion dollar budget. And if it helps in some civil liberties cases, then it can't hurt.
    It comes from more than Sharpton. It comes from neighborhoods that are infested with various red and blue clad cockroaches. It comes from good people that don't want to get lumped up because they "snitched". It comes from people who are the eyes and ears of drug dealers that have been taught to scream RACISM whenever they're confronted because that usually gets the cops to back off. It comes from an environment where success in legitimate endeavors is considered "selling out".

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    A Study in Contrasts Between Rialto Police and Albuquerque Police in Regards to Body-Mounted Cameras - PINAC

    Look, the goal is to reduce crime not to find more ways to point more fingers at cops. As an example, we put speed cameras at a bunch of intersections around town because it was going to make the intersections safer and people wouldn't be able to contest the photographic evidence. Well, the intersections where the cameras are definitely have slower traffic but I haven't seen any evidence that they're safer or that the streets in general are safer. Cop cameras are going to be just the same way. People ALREADY tend to chill out when the cops arrive and those that don't aren't likely to be deterred by a camera. Have you ever seen COPS? People damned near seem to WANT to get on that show!

    The best way - and probably the only way - to make sure that we don't have too many renegade cops is to find them and punish them. Frankly, that's already happening and always has been happening. These incidents of "abuse" you see are few and far between but they get LOTS of air time because anti-cop folks pimp the videos.
    On the other hand, how much legs do you think this Michael Brown thing would of had were they to of been leaked, or just put to the press, the chest mounted camera footage of the exchange between Michael Brown and Officer Wilson. For one thing, I doubt we'd have as many protests as we do/did. I mean, he had to resign from doing police work because of this mess. All because of a lie. This would be in place as much to protect the officers from wrongful charges being brought up than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It comes from more than Sharpton. It comes from neighborhoods that are infested with various red and blue clad cockroaches. It comes from good people that don't want to get lumped up because they "snitched". It comes from people who are the eyes and ears of drug dealers that have been taught to scream RACISM whenever they're confronted because that usually gets the cops to back off. It comes from an environment where success in legitimate endeavors is considered "selling out".
    Look I agree with you, but don't you think the cops will have more protection for themselves when all they have to say to that punk who's screaming racism is, "You see the camera? If you really think that's the case, please, write a letter to the department and you can get your video. Otherwise, I have a job to do."

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Lets just flush as much tax dollars down the drain as possible.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    This is a step in the right direction, however, I'm anticipating the same excuses used with the dashcams, "Officer So-and-So's body camera was not functioning."
    How often does that really happened Jango? I'll answer it, about as often as the cameras actually don't work. I've seen plenty of videos that show cops doing bad ****, so at this point I don't worry about it. Most cops are good guys, and they aren't going to want to protect a couple of bad apples.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Lets just flush as much tax dollars down the drain as possible.
    How is it being flushed down the drain? Just consider that coming from the savings from that alternate F35 engine we axed. Program is paid for now.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    How often does that really happened Jango? I'll answer it, about as often as the cameras actually don't work. I've seen plenty of videos that show cops doing bad ****, so at this point I don't worry about it. Most cops are good guys, and they aren't going to want to protect a couple of bad apples.
    You're right, most cops are good, I haven't and won't lose sight of that, however, the prevalence of immoral and illegal behavior coming from them are and has been on the rise.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    On the other hand, how much legs do you think this Michael Brown thing would of had were they to of been leaked, or just put to the press, the chest mounted camera footage of the exchange between Michael Brown and Officer Wilson. For one thing, I doubt we'd have as many protests as we do/did. I mean, he had to resign from doing police work because of this mess. All because of a lie. This would be in place as much to protect the officers from wrongful charges being brought up than anything else.
    Maybe it would have helped. Then again, maybe it would have showed nothing because it got knocked off in the scuffle or was pointed forward when the actions was on the left. Maybe even if it showed the whole deal in 1080p people would still complain that it was "doctored" by the cops.

    Let's think about one other thing. Let's say that the camera worked just fine and caught everything just exactly the way that Wilson said it happened. What would that solve? Yeah, maybe there wouldn't have been riots but would it have eased the tensions between cops and the community? Would Al Sharpton and Malik Shabazz then suddenly stand in the street and start hollering "We need to clean our act up!" No, that damned sure wouldn't happen. Wilson would be cleared but the problem of cop hate and criminal behavior would still be there. The camera wouldn't have fixed a damned thing.

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