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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Activists want criminals caught just as much as everyone else. If cops stop giving breaks based on their racial preference or because the driver is an attractive woman, that will be a good thing.
    I think the point he is making is that right now a police officer has the discretion to charge a suspect for what they think they should, which often times leaves out some minor offenses committed during the other offenses.

    With cameras, the DA will take over that discretion and the suspect can be charged with every tiny little offense, which will bury many suspects.

    That is a lot of power to give to a DA.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    According to my search on the internet, a first-rate body camera costs $300-$400. Money shouldn't enter the equation. Time to git 'er done. I agree with your post.
    The cost doesn't stop there and it's continuous. You have to have a system for collection of feed and offsite, secure storage, AND the techs who can handle it all. Including reviewing officers and extra paid time to review the footage for officers. This means more personnel, more equipment to maintain, more training to do. It's not one and done, but a continuing cost, and the camera's themselves are the least costly of what is necessary.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Can't hardly wait until the videos of cops taking a piss start showing up on YouTube.

    I wonder if the ALCU is hiring extra staff in anticipation of all the privacy rights suits they'll be filing.

    Something needs to be done but I'm not sure this won't cause more problems than it fixes. We'll see.
    Here's the ACLU position from a report with a headline that summarizes their position:
    "Police Body-Mounted Cameras: With Right Policies in Place, a Win For All

    ....Although we generally take a dim view of the proliferation of surveillance cameras in American life, police on-body cameras are different because of their potential to serve as a check against the abuse of power by police officers. Historically, there was no documentary evidence of most encounters between police officers and the public, and due to the volatile nature of those encounters, this often resulted in radically divergent accounts of incidents. Cameras have the potential to be a win-win, helping protect the public against police misconduct, and at the same time helping protect police against false accusations of abuse.

    We're against pervasive government surveillance, but when cameras primarily serve the function of allowing public monitoring of the government instead of the other way around, we generally regard that as a good thing..."

    https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-...-place-win-all

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    By the way, I support Obama's proposal. Many local governments have delayed requiring police body-cams due to the cost. That may be a bogus justification since they should reduce misconduct lawsuits and other problems. By offering federal subsidies for the cost, it makes it harder for local officials to justify delaying their purchase and use.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I think the point he is making is that right now a police officer has the discretion to charge a suspect for what they think they should, which often times leaves out some minor offenses committed during the other offenses.

    With cameras, the DA will take over that discretion and the suspect can be charged with every tiny little offense, which will bury many suspects.

    That is a lot of power to give to a DA.
    It will not be necessary and it is highly impractical to have all of the video content reviewed by a DA or anyone else. The videos will be used to help make criminal cases and to investigate misconduct complaints. People don't complain when they are let off with a warning, so that practice will not be investigated, unless there is a complaint of bias in deciding who is let off easy.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The cost doesn't stop there and it's continuous. You have to have a system for collection of feed and offsite, secure storage, AND the techs who can handle it all. Including reviewing officers and extra paid time to review the footage for officers. This means more personnel, more equipment to maintain, more training to do. It's not one and done, but a continuing cost, and the camera's themselves are the least costly of what is necessary.
    The cost isn't insignificant but larger jurisdictions spend millions on settlements, lawsuits and internal discipline procedures due to police misconduct that will be drastically reduced.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It will not be necessary and it is highly impractical to have all of the video content reviewed by a DA or anyone else. The videos will be used to help make criminal cases and to investigate misconduct complaints. People don't complain when they are let off with a warning, so that practice will not be investigated, unless there is a complaint of bias in deciding who is let off easy.
    If the video is used in a case, the DA can see other offenses and can charge on them.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Here's the ACLU position from a report with a headline that summarizes their position:
    "Police Body-Mounted Cameras: With Right Policies in Place, a Win For All

    ....Although we generally take a dim view of the proliferation of surveillance cameras in American life, police on-body cameras are different because of their potential to serve as a check against the abuse of power by police officers. Historically, there was no documentary evidence of most encounters between police officers and the public, and due to the volatile nature of those encounters, this often resulted in radically divergent accounts of incidents. Cameras have the potential to be a win-win, helping protect the public against police misconduct, and at the same time helping protect police against false accusations of abuse.

    We're against pervasive government surveillance, but when cameras primarily serve the function of allowing public monitoring of the government instead of the other way around, we generally regard that as a good thing..."

    https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-...-place-win-all
    What nonsense. They're against pervasive government surveillance except for when they support it. Considering the government owns the equipment and the data, I'd guess most incidents that are recorded will be used for the government's benefit and not for accountability of the police. You want to turn that around, then find a way for the citizens to record government activities without harassment. As it is now, not only is the fox guarding the henhouse, the fox owns the henhouse.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The cost isn't insignificant but larger jurisdictions spend millions on settlements, lawsuits and internal discipline procedures due to police misconduct that will be drastically reduced.
    Indeed, but the smaller ones with much, much smaller budgets lose.

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    Re: Obama Wants To Help Buy 50,000 Body Cameras For The Nation's 630,000 Police Offic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The main argument against these cameras is that... well... corrupt police departments will be exposed. Even if these departments don't necessarily tone down their use of violence, it's irrelevant. These things can be settled in court and that's what lawsuits are for. The fact that Lutherf tried to pass off a crooked department caught on camera being crooked .... as something negative just made me realize how good of an idea this is.
    That and they end of the bullyboy mindset.

    Too many times I've seen situations escalate because the cop was simply being a dick. Talking to people who are being cooperative like the cop caught em dandling a five year old.

    This attitude is taught. Dominance takes priority. Not just controlling the situation but what can only be described as bullying.

    Im not thrilled with the end of officer discretion. But I'm less thrilled with commonplace misbehavior. Make EVERYBODY be civil, not just the civilian.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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