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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thats way i said "almost" shocking
    and its not the racist part that is shocking, there bigots right on this board and racism is still wide spread

    it was the whole writing a letter and mailing it to your neighbor telling them you are going to murder them thing that just surprised me

    i know racism comes from ignorance and stupidity but jeez lol

    but yes people are warped
    So threatening to kill someone else for racist reasons is different than just threatening to kill someone else in general? Why?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't fully know why it is, but many don't seem to get it. One reason is that the right wing media has created the impression that there are, or imminently will be, hate speech laws. Very few people in he USA want hate speech laws, there is no reason to think that they could get passed legislatively and they would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional by the courts.
    Well I mean considering the powers of the executive branch has been exploding and the individual power of citizens have been diminishing there is no way you can predict that speech laws won't occur, you can trust that the courts will rule it unconstitutional however limiting that power in General would guarantee that it would never happen.

    The point of why it should not be in legislation is because it sets a precedent on the powers of the federal government over citizens process of thought whether the intentions are to diminish racism or not. This is the facts of hate crime legislation.

    Right wing media? I don't see too many republican congressmen or news castors call for the repellent of hate crime legislation, actually a huge group of republicans voted for obamas expansion on the legislation.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So threatening to kill someone else for racist reasons is different than just threatening to kill someone else in general? Why?
    yes thats what the law says
    same as the law says self defense, m1, m2 and man slaughter are different
    assault and aggravated assault
    threats, illegal threats and terrorist threats
    etc etc etc

    as with other crimes and the earlier links say because of the level of threat and risk of lateral danger
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't fully know why it is, but many don't seem to get it. One reason is that the right wing media has created the impression that there are, or imminently will be, hate speech laws. Very few people in he USA want hate speech laws, there is no reason to think that they could get passed legislatively and they would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional by the courts.
    its just people who ignore facts, laws and rights and play victim manly.
    our whole law system is based on tiers but somehow THIS one is magically different. Its foolish and has no legs.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes thats what the law says
    same as the law says self defense, m1, m2 and man slaughter are different
    assault and aggravated assault
    threats, illegal threats and terrorist threats
    etc etc etc

    as with other crimes and the earlier links say because of the level of threat and risk of lateral danger
    Someone being a racist that commits murder, manslaughter, threaten someone with murder, etc didn't somehow do something different than a person that did the same action with a different motivation. Why is the intent of the crime actually a crime?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    ..If I'm not mistaken, Your suggesting that since someone has a huge quantity of guns that it automatically supports the suggestion that he's selling guns...
    You are mistaken. I mean that if there is solid proof that the possessor intended to sell the guns to terrorists or criminals, then they should be (and probably would be) charged and/or sentenced differently than if they only had the guns for their personal collection. Motivation, intent and "reason for doing it" matter.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Someone being a racist that commits murder, manslaughter, threaten someone with murder, etc didn't somehow do something different than a person that did the same action with a different motivation. Why is the intent of the crime actually a crime?
    His suggestion is that because he law states it we should just accept it. Well the increased spending on the militarization and federalization of police is something we should accept as well by that precedent. Isn't any of this warned to us by our founding fathers as the begins stages of tyrannical governments? I've lived in Europe for a while now and a lot of people here view the United States as a tyrannical pplicement of the world but the only people hat don't see it as such are Americans isn't that crazy? And they wonder why we think though crimes shouldn't exist.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So threatening to kill someone else for racist reasons is different than just threatening to kill someone else in general? Why?
    The intent of a hate crime is to send a message to (terrorize) a group of people such as a particular race or religion. Hate crimes harm more people than non-hate crimes and that is the intent.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The intent of a hate crime is to send a message to (terrorize) a group of people such as a particular race or religion. Hate crimes harm more people than non-hate crimes and that is the intent.
    So the intent of the law is that you disapprove of a criminals intent to commit another crime? Don't people disprove with the intent to commit most crimes?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)Someone being a racist that commits murder, manslaughter, threaten someone with murder, etc didn't somehow do something different than a person that did the same action with a different motivation.
    2.) Why is the intent of the crime actually a crime?
    1.) you are free to have that opinion but motive, intent, reasoning and scale are common factors in law/crime
    2.) basic common sense and how the law system works especially for types of murder charges or no charges at all

    again same as same as the law says self defense, m1, m2 and man slaughter are different
    assault and aggravated assault
    threats, illegal threats and terrorist threats
    endangerment, negligence, gross negligence etc etc
    etc etc etc
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