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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so you have no answer? i didn't think so
    Your post has already been answered.You choose to believe that we should give special treatment to special classes of people.Just don't complain when an attacker of a rich person is charged with a hate crime and given extra punishment.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Is breaking the law an action?
    it is but that action is meaningless to the discussion and context.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    You say context didn't change, did your words change?
    correct since context is ALSO meaning, it was not changed

    Context
    1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

    its meaning never changed

    I guess you're done discussing the fact your statement was wrong and now you are desperately trying to find any off topic mistake lol

    so do you have any facts that support you yet? im waiting?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.)Your post has already been answered.
    2.) You choose to believe that we should give special treatment to special classes of people.
    3.)Just don't complain when an attacker of a rich person is charged with a hate crime and given extra punishment.
    1.) this is factually not true you dodged it.
    the question was what protected class are you talking about
    please answer, thanks
    2.) what special treatment and what special classes
    you keep stating this lie but cant back it up
    3.) by definition thats not a hate crime. But if the law changes it to one id be fine with that. So what ever you tried there just failed lol

    ill be waitin on your answers but i bet you dodge them again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    correct since context is ALSO meaning, it was not changed

    Context
    1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

    its meaning never changed

    I guess you're done discussing the fact your statement was wrong and now you are desperately trying to find any off topic mistake lol

    so do you have any facts that support you yet? im waiting?
    Yes or no did your words change?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    it is but that action is meaningless to the discussion and context.
    No I asked if you needed more then action to break a law.

    So the action of breaking a murder law is the killing of someone correct?

    And the action of breaking a conspiracy law is the act of conspiring to break the law with other people correct?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) this is factually not true you dodged it.
    the question was what protected class are you talking about
    please answer, thanks
    2.) what special treatment and what special classes
    you keep stating this lie but cant back it up
    3.) by definition thats not a hate crime. But if the law changes it to one id be fine with that. So what ever you tried there just failed lol

    ill be waitin on your answers but i bet you dodge them again
    The fact that you think giving special treatment to certain people under the guise of hate crime laws and justifying it clearly shows that you are in denial or feigning ignorance. The man in the OP clearly commited a criminal threat of violence against multiple people.The penalty for that crime is a 180 days in jail, $2000 dollar fine and surcharge. He was charged with a hate crime so that he could a year in prison.The idea that you do not think that is somehow extra justice or special treatment for harming a protected class is absurd.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.)The fact that you think giving special treatment to certain people under the guise of hate crime laws and justifying it clearly shows that you are in denial or feigning ignorance.
    2.) The idea that you do not think that is somehow extra justice or special treatment for harming a protected class is absurd.
    1.) what special treatment, what certain people
    another DODGE very telling
    2.) what special treatment, what protected class

    still waiting and you keep dodging
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Yes or no did your words change?
    lol
    yes
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.)No I asked if you needed more then action to break a law.
    2.) So the action of breaking a murder law is the killing of someone correct?
    3.) And the action of breaking a conspiracy law is the act of conspiring to break the law with other people correct?
    1.) correct and your follow up question has no impact to that
    to answer your question again, the answer is YES, you need to break the law/commit a crime
    2.) English please
    3.) see #2
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